I shoved today even though I read the guy for strength...but the idiot overplays his Ax all day, so I thought he's reading the Ace-high board as super strong.

Turns out he flopped the set.

I like that. It's nice that he has to bet giving extra information to validate the strength of the read.

when you look back at it do you think you could've gotten away from it?

+1

QQ- can easily think they're the nuts here.

Brag: Going to bask in the sun on a beach in the Dominican Republic next week.

Beat: Will miss my one-poker-outing-per-week for the first time in, like, forever.

Variance: There is no variance. I'm too conservative to have any.

GrunsgoodatlifeG

Probably not in this spot. I did, however, notice the big physical tell, which should help me down the road.

I don't think folding there is good for me in the long run against such player.

Same here. For the first time last night, I was able to fold Kings preflop due to HRS (Hollywood ****** Stuff/Syndrome).

1/3 game.

I have $500 to start. SB has me covered. SB was playing very tight most of the night, doesn't get out of line often.

$6 staddle, $30 stack shoves in EP, CO calls $30, I raise $100 more with Kings, SB tanks, makes pained face, then ships all-in. Folds back around to me, I insta-muck. They had AA OBV.

The action itself is enough information, you wouldn't need to even look at his face...

Question is: would you make the same fold if SB goes AI for $250?

$250 more, or $250 total ($120 for me to call)? I call if I only have to call $120 more, but fold if it's $250 more. But there is NO WAY this one player is making a pained expression and then shoving without Aces (or Kings) in this spot.

Against other players in the games I play, I would snap call here and be happy about it. I was lucky they:

1. Gave the strength of their hand away.
2. Is a tight enough player that I could fold when they shove.

Well, that's the point of our discussion. Given the odds, would you fold even if you know you're likely beat?

Probably not. But with less $ I see them shipping Queens here too. But then again with the HRS, I muck it. Also, one player is all-in for $30, so I'm likely going to see what the SB has.

You suck.

Speak of the devil [pocket queens], Halloween night I was costumed up and finally found the freak show of a game you'll wait all month for. Lot's of people calling 7x pf.

3-5nl I have 800ish. Many deep stacks. Villain has me covered and a shaved head and may be mental.

WP opens for 20 from MP. I 3bet QQ to 60 from the CO. Mental is in the bb and pauses before cold calling. limper colds, pfr calls.

the ghosts are out, happy live poker Halloween.

$240 1043.

they all check. I bet 125. Mental counts out a call, then pulls it back and raises to 325 with green chips. the other two fold.

He then rests his chin on his hands and stares directly at me.

I never call and fold later so the question is if my remaining $600ish is going in or not. Here are the factors

- When he colded pf I thought he had some drawing hand because he was calling everything. Now it looks more like KK.

- We had played one hand before where I c c with top pair while he double barrelded 2nd pair so he sees me as tight passive, which I was playing. So he puts me on AA-JJ

- I hate folding to people who look like they have a mental disorder. In my experience it's better to call them down.

- I just don't see even a disturbed guy who puts me on a tight range playing A10, K10s like this. He had just got even after losing a buy in and I think he'd call with those hands.

I eventually showed and folded. He asked if he could show one card and the dealer told him NO due to the room's misinterpretation of "show one, show all." He said I made a good laydown, but to me it sounds like he did have some crap top pair hand

Thanks, and welcome back.

BTW, had a nice chat with Fossilman the other night. If you didn't see his currently locked thread in B&M (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...gions-1119142/) he's looking for info on the poker markets in various regions.

Mods locked it due to concern that it could be considered commercial, but if you are a reg on any of the areas listed there and drop him a PM, it's a pretty good excuse to chat with a main event champ. Truly nice guy and interesting to talk to.

I will make no judgement as to whether to consider the thread commercial in nature, but he's not selling anything to the community, he's looking for info for a potential project.

LLSNL is quickly degrading into a trolling forum from what I can see in the last few weeks of threads...

There is very little room for good discussions.

Most people either want people to agree to their one-dimensional thinking process, or they are looking for a simplistic one-dimensional thinking process.

Better yet, no one bothers to post any relevant information, ever. Maybe it's the reason why LLSNL is still so beatable, because very few people actually observe the information that is readily available and utilize it.

Yeah, I don't really blame you since I feel the frustration too. It feels like every time I try to introduce an advanced concept, it's instantly "too advanced for LLS", and every time I try to instigate discussion, it turns into those one-dimensional one-liners you're talking about (much like, OH, he's playing $1/2, he's never bluffing so snap/fold /thread) or (Oh, he bluffed once 3 hours ago so he's bluffing here probz I call).

Plus, I totally agree with you about the relevant information thing. It's like, most people include 0 history but their OP's start with "Been at the table for about 3 hours"... How can you not pick up something in 3 hours? And then when they do, it's a completely irrelevant hand history that means nothing to the hand. Things that are relevant are like: Can value bet thin, capable of bluffing, has a tight opening range, has turned a pair into a bluff, can bluff-catch when a line doesn't make sense, is a thinking player, **** anything besides "I saw him c/raise once on a XXX board and he didn't show", who cares?!

Tha's because most nl hands don't go to showdown so you don't find out. And at showdown one player usually mucks.

lawllllllllllllll I think I've seen this said before :P

what we need is KUD back to post some good hands

Oh for the good old days of ILCD, when the forum was full of high quality content!?!?

Really, the forum will always be like this. As Venice says, it is entry level, but more than that it is an open forum. MSNL and every other forum is full of donks posting one line "I'd probably call here because he might be bluffing" type answers. I think it is totally unrealistic to expect anything else from an open forum.

Let's face it, we should all care much more about the games than the forums and this lack of exclusivity is the price you pay for the masses of fish that have come to the game in the last 10 years. Yesterday, I was at a super juicy table with a bunch of 20 something guys commenting on every hand and not so subtly demonstrating to the table that they had read a poker book or two and probably browse forums. They were absolutely great for the game. Basically they just used their "knowledge" to find a reason to raise or call with junk.

We have some great posters on this forum, IMO. Canoodles, Ikestoys, Devinlake, Setsy, CMV and others who I'm probably missing. we also have some guys like GG, who although I often disagree with but offer very clear thought process behind their play.

You also get repeated, clear and honest responses from the type of fish we play against every day. How is this not hugely beneficial to our winrates.

As I say, this is a public forum. Take the good for what it is, ignore the rest and accept that many people are here for different reasons, will stay for different lengths of times and contribute varying levels of content.

ffs get over yourself

That's why God created the alert button. I can't read all the posts.

For those of you who know how to play poker and are frustrated at bad strat posts: It helps if, rather than posting an lol or a gtfo ****** in response to such posts, you take the time to elaborate on what point(s) you think are wrong and why. It's a beginners' forum; you don't have to and shouldn't hold anybody's hands, but you should at least provide enough reasoning to point readers in the right direction.

This forum gets lurked by a lot more people than you realize (which is why a lot of good players either refuse to post much strat, or in some cases--this is all IMO--actively post what they know is bad strat.)

Yes this is the beginners forum, but much of the advice requires making hands...with live poker being as it is with so few hands played, I'd like more discussion on "moves" some of y'all like to make when your not catching cards/making hands. When to bluff, what boards to make different plays on, which strat for which opponent, which moves I can make if everyone sees me as lag or tag or drunk or whatever..I guess I just mean the standard 1/2 villain advice gets old sometimes. The higher stakes forum has some good advice but it's obv not as active as this one.

I definitely have a favorite move I like to make when I'm card dead. It's called "fold".

I mostly play home games, and in home games it's important to at least give the appearance that you're splashing around and having fun. So I usually at least play most of my hands in the cutoff or button, and will call (or 3bet!) pretty wide when I'm in the blinds and there's a raise and 2+ calls in front of me.

In really soft games it's hard to be too far -EV playing even any two cards from the button.

In a casino setting I think it's still important to give the impression you're just having fun and who cares about the money, but obviously you have more leeway to play tight if that's your thing. If you sit at a home game and fold 90% of your hands all night, you're not going to be invited back.