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10-30-2012 , 06:25 PM
I cant believe that mpethychat

how old are you (no, srsly, how old?)
10-30-2012 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Not sure why you think those statements are inconsistent. But I didn't make either of them, so, whatever.
You have said in the past that your LV games were tougher than the games we always tell you about. Then you say you are getting soul crushed by "fish" who are calling with Q6s and missing bets when they hit. So they will call with junk for $10 pre but when it hits a few bucks more they are all of a sudden world class players and aren't calling wide enough? I have played in enough 1/2 vegas games, and others will also vouch for this, to know that you could be betting bigger with your premium hands and barely anyone would give a crap. They'd still call. I do not doubt for one second that you understand the game better than 99% of llsnl... but I think that your knowledge is better suited for more advanced play. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I don't think you are making the proper adjustments for a 1/2 game. Not saying that you haven't been running bad, but I feel that you could change some things to be better suited for a live 1/2 game. I'm not going to argue with you though. You'd outwit me at every level. This is a forum and I am simply speaking my mind.

/IMO

Last edited by AcePlayerDeluxe; 10-30-2012 at 06:51 PM.
10-30-2012 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
You have said in the past that your LV games were tougher than the games we always tell you about. Then you say you are getting soul crushed by "fish" who are calling with Q6s and missing bets when they hit. So they will call with junk for $10 pre but when it hits a few bucks more they are all of a sudden world class players and aren't calling wide enough. I have played in enough 1/2 vegas games, and others will also vouch for this, to know that you could be betting bigger with your premium hands and barely anyone would give a crap. They'd still call. I do not doubt for one second that you understand the game better than 99% of llsnl... but I think that your knowledge is better suited for more advanced play. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I don't think you are making the proper adjustments for a 1/2 game. Not saying that you haven't been running bad, but I feel that you could change some things to be better suited for a live 1/2 game. I'm not going to argue with you though. You'd outwit me at every level. This is a forum and I am simply speaking my mind.

/IMO
Agreed. I find myself making mistakes all the time with the thought process of "well I need to be balanced" or "if I do this its exploitable". Then I see my friends making ABC plays and winning a whole lot more money.
10-30-2012 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Of course they pay attention when you go $7, $8, $6, for 4 hours and them go $12 or something with AA. They're paying attention in your game, too. The mistake they make more in your game than mine is putting you on AA and then calling too wide to crack.

look, I'm not going to go too much deeper into this because the thread is coming off like an attack on you and your play and a) I'm not good enough to do that b) I love the math based approach to your posts and strat and c) I'm nowhere near good enough to do that.


but at 1/2 if I make a decision to raise a limper from EP, I'm going to 15 with all of my range against any villain and probably 18-20 with premiums and maybe more depending on villains. Even doing that, I'm expecting to get the flop 3 way minimum.

if the table consistently folds to this, then I'll LAG it up, open up my range, pick up a load of cheap pots until they adjust and the value town them if/when they call down light
10-30-2012 , 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by dhcg86
http://www.tournamentpokeredge.com/

and learn to play husngs
thanks for this. I must admit that I find HU sngs and online HU cash a bit intimidating but that's precisely why I should probably toughen up, play some and take my lumps
10-30-2012 , 06:51 PM
I'm happy to make it 10, and I rarely make it more than that UTG. I mean I open very light UTG so my range actually has more bluffs so that's probably okay. I don't think the games I play in are tough, but I still don't think 10 is too small.
10-30-2012 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Sol Reader
I'm happy to make it 10, and I rarely make it more than that UTG. I mean I open very light UTG so my range actually has more bluffs so that's probably okay. I don't think the games I play in are tough, but I still don't think 10 is too small.
but he's not opening, he's raising a limper
10-30-2012 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by AcePlayerDeluxe
You have said in the past that your LV games were tougher than the games we always tell you about. Then you say you are getting soul crushed by "fish" who are calling with Q6s and missing bets when they hit. So they will call with junk for $10 pre but when it hits a few bucks more they are all of a sudden world class players and aren't calling wide enough? I have played in enough 1/2 vegas games, and others will also vouch for this, to know that you could be betting bigger with your premium hands and barely anyone would give a crap. They'd still call. I do not doubt for one second that you understand the game better than 99% of llsnl... but I think that your knowledge is better suited for more advanced play. I don't expect you to agree with me, but I don't think you are making the proper adjustments for a 1/2 game. Not saying that you haven't been running bad, but I feel that you could change some things to be better suited for a live 1/2 game.

This should be stickied at the top of LLSNL imo. Very nice post.

Mpethy-I think your style of play is better suited to higher limits...I understand FT f%^&ed you and crushed your roll. While you build back to 2/5 and beyond, it may be wise to put the ego of playing correct aside and make some changes to your game. If you aren't able to mix your raise sizes up in your current game-remember that you live in VEGAS!!! Switch tables, switch casinos, don't let the regs catch on. GL-the runbad will turn around.
10-30-2012 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by miamicheats
This should be stickied at the top of LLSNL imo. Very nice post.

Mpethy-I think your style of play is better suited to higher limits...I understand FT f%^&ed you and crushed your roll. While you build back to 2/5 and beyond, it may be wise to put the ego of playing correct aside and make some changes to your game. If you aren't able to mix your raise sizes up in your current game-remember that you live in VEGAS!!! Switch tables, switch casinos, don't let the regs catch on. GL-the runbad will turn around.
Yes, this... I do think there is a bit of ego behind mpethy here, and I can understand I've been there.

A+ post by Ace
10-30-2012 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sol Reader
I'm happy to make it 10, and I rarely make it more than that UTG. I mean I open very light UTG so my range actually has more bluffs so that's probably okay. I don't think the games I play in are tough, but I still don't think 10 is too small.
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10-30-2012 , 08:12 PM
If you are on the West coast you have less than an hour to get your Locos Tacos. Get your hands nice and orange and think about the Giants winning the World Series! We went and got ours and as a Giants fan in Colorado I walked into that piece with my head high and chest out. Tacos taste better when it's your team hooking it up... hahaha
10-30-2012 , 08:48 PM
My casino is considering raising max buyin from 100bb to 75% of the big stack.
#crossingfingers

I think this would equate to a 10+ $/hr raise?
10-30-2012 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Sol Reader
I still don't understand, why does it matter how good or bad he is. Just... yeah yeah, remember what Tommy Angelo said. You're never entitled to win a pot. You're just entitled to play your hand. Good players don't "deserve" to win; they just win more often.
Do we really need to go over this again?

Tommy Angelo has to be the most overrated person around these parts. **** him and his overrated e-book which I wasted a few dollars on. No, the money doesn't bother me, I was just curious to see if it would be as useless to me as I thought it would be.
10-30-2012 , 09:31 PM
Also, **** this stupid ass mother****ing game.

4th time this month that I had a really terrible session immediately following a good session which erased my winnings.

****ing tired of this ****.

Played 5.5 hours today and hit about 0 flops. Only pots I won were by double barreling air in spots that were good for it. After my final hand today (open AKo, get called by a fish, board runs out like 8-7-6-3-9 and I just c/f and lose the minimum) I just said "**** this game" out loud before leaving.
10-30-2012 , 09:33 PM
Love you too sabr <3
10-30-2012 , 09:48 PM
So I had some interesting spots come up today. Tell me what you guys think about these spots (they're in the order they happened):

1. UTG limps, I am UTG+1, raise 54 to $10, MP2 calls, limper calls. MP2 is female, 40-ish, and has been playing tight passive; probably something like 15/4 preflop, and pretty average post flop for a 1/2 game, by which I mean passive mostly because she'll call with mostly any piece of the board, but "raising to see where she's at," with top pair type hands and will stab at orphans in position. UTG is loose passive pre (but he folds early, so meh). Flop is QT7 UTG checks, I check giving up, MP2 checks. Turn is 3, UTG checks, I bet $16, MP2 calls, UTG folds. River is 5, I check, MP2 bets $35. Should I call?

2. I'm UTG with JJ, I raise to $8, button calls, BB calls. Button is a very solid TAg who has absolutely been crushing the live one at the table, and has about $900, most of which he has taken from the live one. BB is an unknown on his first orbit, but he's German, has been pretty active, so I figure him for laggy, but he folds anyway, so meh). Flop comes J97 BB checks, I bet $18, button raises to $65 (edit: BB folds). I started with $310, so I have put in $26, so I have $284 behind. Flat, 3 bet for less than stacks, or shove?

3. I have JJ UTG+1. Folds to me, I raise to $8, Button calls, all others fold. Flop is T95 Button ($220, I cover) is new to the table, but has played every hand since he sat maybe 6 hands ago. He raised a couple and either called a raise or limped the others. He overbet the flop and TID both times he raised. $18 in pot, I bet $24, he calls. Turn is 8 $63 in pot, I bet $60, he calls. River is 3 There's $183 in the pot and about $130 behind. Ship, check/call or check/fold?

Last edited by mpethybridge; 10-30-2012 at 09:58 PM.
10-30-2012 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SABR42
Also, **** this stupid ass mother****ing game.

4th time this month that I had a really terrible session immediately following a good session which erased my winnings.

****ing tired of this ****.

Played 5.5 hours today and hit about 0 flops. Only pots I won were by double barreling air in spots that were good for it. After my final hand today (open AKo, get called by a fish, board runs out like 8-7-6-3-9 and I just c/f and lose the minimum) I just said "**** this game" out loud before leaving.
lol, was pretty much what i said when i racked up yesterday up a whopping 4bbs.
10-30-2012 , 09:54 PM
Hand 1: when you are running bad stop open raising 5 high in EP.
10-30-2012 , 09:56 PM
1. I'm not gonna tell you to fold pre because that would be hypocritical of me, lol. I'd still c/f turn, but as played I would call because I think he's not repping much.

2) $145, shove any turn

3) Ship it. You're a little too strong to c/c (as in, you'd be letting him check behind too many worse hands).
10-30-2012 , 09:57 PM
Hand 1: Don't like the lead on the turn, as played fold.

Hand 2: CIB, so many bad turn cards, but hard to get value from worse if you shove unless he has 99 or 77. Shove any turn.

Hand 3: What range do you put him on? Is he the type of player that would insta check back AT but would call with it if you shipped?
10-30-2012 , 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
lol, was pretty much what i said when i racked up yesterday up a whopping 4bbs.
I would take +$20 soooooo badly after one of my good sessions this month.

Then I'd be having a good month.
10-30-2012 , 10:03 PM
1 fold
2. shove
3. c/c

IMO pf sizing is wonky throughout (not really relevant to any of the hands though). But i guess whatever works for you.... What do you raise in late? Like 5?
10-30-2012 , 10:08 PM
What's wrong with 4x+1? Seems fine in a lot of games, obv not always best.
10-30-2012 , 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
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Hand 3: What range do you put him on? Is he the type of player that would insta check back AT but would call with it if you shipped?
LOL, this is the question, isn't it? I assume he either has a busted flush/combo draw or he's been bluff catching with top pair plus maybe a draw. I have no idea which.
10-30-2012 , 10:13 PM
Right, but a lot of players would fold the AT to a third barrel. If he isn't the kind of player that would never lay down AT or KT, I think check/call is better if there a lot of draws in his range that he could ship with. If he would call KT or AT, then obv bet it all day every day.

      
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