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11-23-2012 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Fold flop.
Nit.
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11-23-2012 , 03:01 PM
How much should I be tipping in a 1-1 60$ max buy in NL game? Playing live tonight for the first time in a long time.
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11-23-2012 , 03:01 PM
Basically because you're guessing, and you're going to have to guess at least once more.

But also because of teh maths. In order to float profitably, you need him to c/f a good amount of the time. You're getting 3:1 on the flop bet, and on the turn, if you just look at the pot on the turn, you need him to fold when he checks about 45% of the time. In essence, you're risking the float and your turn bet to win the pot plus his flop bet. So, in a way, you're risking $70-80 to win $60. You need that to work A LOT. You don't really know what his range is, except that he will play most or all suited aces. If we have FDs in his range, those are going to get there about 20% of the time. So we know we'll face a turn bet from his flush draws that hit, his sets, and his good aces. Based on the hand that went to shiwdown, we can expect him to bluff catch some weak aces. He's just continuing with a lot of his range. We have no good info on his c-bet frequency, having only seen him as the original raiser in one hand.

It's just not a good spot. Later, with reads, maybe we'll be able to float profitably. But I don't think it's possible on the information we have now.
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11-23-2012 , 03:22 PM
1/2 table mid-afternoon. V recently joined table and has been running like god. 200 buyin and up to 450-475. Showed up at river with a 4-5 times with monsters and took big pots and showed up a couple of times with air/bluff catcher type hands. Looking at his hands and he was talking about unions/teamsters my guess he is a mechanic there to blow off some cash. Thinks he is good though but limp calling a lot. In a small sample he was playing 40-10 type of stats. All in the space of 30-40 minutes. Hero been fairly tight during that time. Not been in a pot with villian. Hero $300/effective.

3 limpers in front of me including V. Raise to 12 from CO with 88. 2 callers including V. $36 pot. Flop J55. Check/Check I bet $20. V called and other limp/caller folded. $76 pot. Turn 4. Villian donks $60. Hero?
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11-23-2012 , 04:20 PM
Easy fold
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11-23-2012 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ibelieveinkolb
Should have raised flop or turn?

Villain is a bad regular ... Probably 40 or so. Always seems drunk. They are no longer serving alcohol, so he doesn't have a drink in front of him. He's in EP.

Hero is OTB with KTo ... I've been overlimping because you wind up dominating players with crap hands (not that KTo is good) and you can get paid by TPWK ... or flop a straight against a lower straight, etc.

Flop: KT2 with two hearts. Flop top two.

Villain leads for $15. Hero? I figure I'm WA and want him to chase. He's bad. He'll keep putting money in the pot.

Turn: K. Villain leads for $30. Hero?

River: A. Villain leads for $50. I jam for $192, covering villain.

He calls.

Thoughts?
Raise flop. There are 8 zillion cards that beat you or kill your action.
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11-23-2012 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
Raise flop. There are 8 zillion cards that beat you or kill your action.
I balance a lot in these spots but against a villian as described I like to bump it. Were u last to act?
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11-26-2012 , 02:57 PM
2/5

Hero's image - very active, caught raising/showing down a lot of junk OTB and CO... slightly winning

Old man to my left - has seemed to catch on to this and 3bet me twice within an hour (standard 3x size), not sure if he had the goods or not as I folded. Once muttered a comment like, "that's the last time I let you prevent a chop" when I last raised OTB after it folded around. Also berated a fish who I defended by saying out loud, "yeah, we need you to play better". The dealer laughed and the old man got defensive, saying, "I don't like to take advantage of people that don't know how to play" to which I basically called him a liar. So there is some dynamic here.

Hero ($700) is on BTN with XX after 1 limper, raised to $25.

Old man (covers) is in SB (just having racked up his chips getting ready to go home) in an agitated tone, says, "make it $200"

My immediate reaction is he has nothing.

What is your shoving range here?

Are we ever flatting anything?
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11-26-2012 , 03:15 PM
my immediate reaction is he finally picked up a monster
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11-26-2012 , 03:59 PM
^^^

Agree. Looks like a very strong hand he wants to appear to look like a bluff with that huge raise. Don't think he'd risk his stack right before leaving with air
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11-26-2012 , 05:56 PM
General question, I think.

1/2 game, I have TT and raise to $12 from UTG. Only caller is BB. Effective stacks are about $280 (I cover).

Flop comes 733 rainbow. BB checks, I bet $17, he raises to $51.

My question is: Is it ever correct to call here or is this purely a raise or fold spot?
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11-27-2012 , 09:20 AM
I would often call. This is many times a "no way you hit that board" bluff.
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11-27-2012 , 10:03 AM
In a 1/2 game? And what is the plan then for turn and river? Calling low cards, re-evaluating high cards?

I feel as if we are easily lost here - V could be on anything from two overs to quads and since he is very likely to lead out on the turn, we are effectively facing a $150 or so bet with just an overpair that is going to be an underpair after about 1/3 of turns.
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11-27-2012 , 11:22 AM
I would say it's never correct to raise and is purely a call or fold spot
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11-27-2012 , 01:49 PM
call, raising only gets rid of worse hands
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11-29-2012 , 02:00 PM
I'm a beginning player so I feel like most of my questions are not threadworthy, so here's a spot where I wasn't sure what to do (1-2 nl):

Regular that plays too loose preflop but average postflop limps in EP ($200 stack).

Folded around to me. I have 98 in the CO ($200 stack). I raise to $12 because I thought that would be enough to successfully isolate or take the hand down preflop. Of course I'm wrong: BTN calls (no read, $200 stack), and BB calls (Fish, $300 stack), and regular calls.

Flop comes out 1023 ($49 pot). BB and regular check to me.

Should I bet here or just give up? It's a pretty rag board, but I'm against 3 opponents. And if you think a bet is warranted, what should we bet here? Half the pot? 2/3? 3/4?
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11-29-2012 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
I'm a beginning player so I feel like most of my questions are not threadworthy, so here's a spot where I wasn't sure what to do (1-2 nl):

Regular that plays too loose preflop but average postflop limps in EP ($200 stack).

Folded around to me. I have 98 in the CO ($200 stack). I raise to $12 because I thought that would be enough to successfully isolate or take the hand down preflop. Of course I'm wrong: BTN calls (no read, $200 stack), and BB calls (Fish, $300 stack), and regular calls.

Flop comes out 1023 ($49 pot). BB and regular check to me.

Should I bet here or just give up? It's a pretty rag board, but I'm against 3 opponents. And if you think a bet is warranted, what should we bet here? Half the pot? 2/3? 3/4?
I would also attempt to iso here preflop. Pay careful attention to the table and players in general to get an idea of how many players are seeing a flop to a certain raise size. I mean, maybe it was the case where $12 would normally get this HU and we just got unlucky here and 3 players woke up with a hand they were very unlikely to fold to even a $20 bet. Or, perhaps we shoulda raised to $20.

Even though this is a rag flop, I'd still give up against 3 opponents. It would take like a K high rag flop for me to even consider cbetting vs 3 opponents (Ax hands have whiffed, K hits our percieved AK and small pairs could fold, no draws to chase). On this flop, underpairs won't be as quick to fold and even overcards might speculate a call.

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11-29-2012 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
I'm a beginning player so I feel like most of my questions are not threadworthy, so here's a spot where I wasn't sure what to do (1-2 nl):

Regular that plays too loose preflop but average postflop limps in EP ($200 stack).

Folded around to me. I have 98 in the CO ($200 stack). I raise to $12 because I thought that would be enough to successfully isolate or take the hand down preflop. Of course I'm wrong: BTN calls (no read, $200 stack), and BB calls (Fish, $300 stack), and regular calls.

Flop comes out 1023 ($49 pot). BB and regular check to me.

Should I bet here or just give up? It's a pretty rag board, but I'm against 3 opponents. And if you think a bet is warranted, what should we bet here? Half the pot? 2/3? 3/4?
If you fire here, you need to be prepared to fire the second barrel, especially on an overcard that appears to be in your range.
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11-29-2012 , 02:49 PM
ilp, how do you have 16k posts but are a beginning player?


and i agree with above, if you fire you need to strongly consider firing a second barrel on the turn
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11-29-2012 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SuqAta8
ilp, how do you have 16k posts but are a beginning player?


and i agree with above, if you fire you need to strongly consider firing a second barrel on the turn
Limit holdem is my game. That's where I made all my monies at, but the game is dead (at least where I'm at: Michigan), so I'm trying to learn nl. Also: I pretty much took three years off from playing poker altogether 2009-2012 (was kinda burnt out). Started playing again this summer ($3-$6 limit cuz my parents wanted me to play with them, lol). Got hooked on poker again, but don't wanna play $3-$6, so I'm trying to play this crazy nl game.

Also, thanx for the responses so far.

gobbledygeek: i agree with what you're saying about say a K73r board. I would definitely fire there. What would you bet in that spot? I'm thanking half the pot should get the job done, but maybe 2/3?

The Rumor/Suqata8: No doubt about the overcard turn bet. If I bet and one person calls I'm definitely firing a J-A turn card.
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11-29-2012 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ILOVEPOKER929
gobbledygeek: i agree with what you're saying about say a K73r board. I would definitely fire there. What would you bet in that spot? I'm thanking half the pot should get the job done, but maybe 2/3?
I'm not saying that I would cbet a K73 into 3 opponents, I'm just saying it's pretty much the only board I would consider cbetting. In general, I think cbetting into 3+ opponents is lighting money on fire.

If I did bet, I'd typically just cbet 1/2 PSB (which would actually be my cbet with AA here as well on such a dry board). At this point, people are either calling or they ain't, so I don't think there is any difference between their calling frequency of a 1/2 PSB vs 2/3 PSB. But the cheaper 1/2 PSB makes it a lot more profitable for us (they only have to fold 33% of the time instead of 40% for us to breakeven).

Welcome to the dark side! I've also come over from small stakes Limit. You'll find that small stakes NL is immensely more profitable and wonder why it took you so long to make the switch.
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11-29-2012 , 03:26 PM
I'd bet that flop, and bet most turns. They will call with weak pps, gutshots like a4 so our turn barrels should be very effective vs their non ten range.

Bet Q, K, blanks that don't complete a gutshot. Check on J, A(can delay bet the river if they check to you and still rep an ace in their eyes).
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12-01-2012 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by The Rumor
If you fire here, you need to be prepared to fire the second barrel, especially on an overcard that appears to be in your range.
ya
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12-01-2012 , 02:01 AM
Almost PRO poker career - cliffs.

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12-01-2012 , 02:05 AM
Dude, old news man! Have you not read his latest entry?!

His blog will be legendary.
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