Larry - the only hand he might have that you're behind is 55. No way you can't call even if he shows you OESFD.

Never fold sets at LLSNL.

I folded a flopped set, turned boat once. By the river I was clearly beaten by both Vs.

Is this real? Larry you need to stop believing there’s a monster behind every corner. This is the snappiest of snap calls.

And that fold against OMC, what are you doing out there? If you want to fold the 3rd nuts every hand you’re faced with aggression, maybe find a new game.

Also stop over relying on ‘live reads’

I’m just giving Larry a simple rule to help him out!

Other than 55 what other hand does he have to jam for almost 200bb? You think 1/3 players are jamming k10cc or 109cc here? Or QJ? Vs a player showing lots of strength three ways? And driving out V1? For 200bbs?

You described V2 as an extremely loose player. You can’t put him squarely on 55. This is ridiculous. If he’s got the one hand in the entire deck that had you beat than so be it.

I don’t know what he has, but since we can’t fold sets at LLSNL we have no choice but to call. Curse this rule!

So here’s what happened. I felt I was clearly beat. And took a minute and almost folded. And then the voice in the back of my head said “you know better than fold, they said you can’t fold sets at these stakes”.

I called. He gave me the look like sorry. Yes here is my 55and immediately flipped face up. Do you have qj or 33? Please don’t have QQ you played strangely. I kept my cards hidden and mucked while he raked in $1500 as the miracle three did not arrive.

While V2 potentially has QJ or a combo draw I've posted many a time that when 'maniacs' or 'super LAGs' pile in chips they usually have monsters. They set their image up as high VPiP/loose, whatever you want to call it, and then when it matters the most they show up with the goods. While this is not a 'pile' based on Pod Odds, it is an all-in for over 200bb. If this V is indeed a 'good' but splashy/loose Player I'm going to give some credit that they 'see' what's going on here as 3rd to act facing a bet/raise spot.

Can I fold here? Possibly, but I'd have to be in the moment with the V to do so. The price is pretty good, so it'd be hard to pass on.

I've said before as well, decisions like this need to be self-aware. What will your mental state be if you as you run through the combinations of results. Obv call-win is preferred followed by 'fold-would've lost', but can 'fold-would've won' be a better mental choice than 'call-lose'?

What is the best use of your $460 at this table? What's the BI/add-on cap? Will this V keep these chips in play? (assume yes based on image) Will 'call-lose' affect your decision making in future hands? This is 150bb, more than likely V1 folded a Qx type of hand, can we see ourselves with 30% equity here. If it's close, then why are we risking 150bb on a EV=0 type of call?

Certainly you can say 'never fold' at these stakes, but then we've also read plenty of posts where V 'always have it' at these stakes as well in 3b/4b spots. IMO, this is JJ very often and probably more often than 55 or QQ.

If I do fold I'm not showing and I'm making up some sort of 'steal' story, hoping to take it down. GL

How do you guys think this can’t be QJ here? If this is ever QJ this is a snap call. Or any combo draw. Folding in this spot sucks so so so bad. Unless you literally know this ‘extremely loose’ player only does this with the lolnuts this is a snap call. It’s a cooler, boo hoo, next hand

If I fold here I walk out of the casino and quit poker

Larrry respectfully that's too results oriented...if you try to fold sets to bigger sets you going to lose $ long term...

He was good. If I counted on one hand skill level of players over the last year he would be on that list. Not a maniac at all. What you described. Loose and knew when to put in piles.

Thanks for the response. If V1 jammed it was a snap call. I should have folded and knew it the entire time. So mentally it tilted me worse than any hand in the last six months and I left shortly after the hand. Nothing is worse than not trusting your read and then being shown you should have followed your instincts. I have yet to be shown a worse hand when I question if I have any chance to he ahead and call at these stakes for over 100bb. It is never a draw with most player types at this level. And the ones that do play like that, you know after a few orbits usually.

Two days later I got set over set in similar sized pot. Didn’t bother me at all. Player was a fish and just got lucky. Disn’t think much about the hand other than unlucky. Nthis was different. Dry flop. What is he representing? And he was one of the two best players Id played against in months. I knew that before the hand. And simply felt like when he looked at me. He has the nuts. This is a terrible call.

1/2 NL Hero covers. Jumping to the pivot point of the hand..

Hero is out of position vs V. Hero has KK raised pre large 2 callers flopped top set on wet board lead out flop one caller.

Turn: KdQd9x Td. Pot $120. V has $300 behind. What should we do on turn? As played, hero leads $40, V makes it $140 almost giving us direct odds to call and leaving V with $160 behind if we just call. No reads on V other than he's not splashy at all.

Call. Never raising. Never folding. If board pairs jam river. Check fold rivers

Would you ever bet like this with Jx? Let him bluff for now.

X/c turn, reevaluate river.

Out of position like in this hand, probably not much. Villain would have to be a complete calling station capable of calling with AK or similar. You are drawing to a three out chop vs AJ. And not many hands will call you you beat. Id let him bluff if Ihad a J and go into call down mode. If he checked back river and board did not pair I half pot the river.

Id certainly bet AJ.

Or are you saying if you had Jx in position would you bet like V? Yes I would. The waythe hand played out putting you on specifiically AJ is nitty and you are going to ahead of trips, KQ etc. with a one liner out there though I like a check on the turn OOP

River was KdQd9x Td Ad which just sealed the deal. c/f on river.

I was mostly wondering if I should have c/c turn instead of bet small / call.

V showed AxJd

I dont like the small turn bet OOp.

What was in the pot going to the Turn? 'Small' bets are usually seen as blockers or to induce and when you're played back at it's rarely a bluff at 1/2 without some history between opponents. You are left to just call and see what happens with the River card. There are just too many holdings that connect with this Board that aren't the nuts but 'worthy' of a semi-bluff .. like other sets and one-pair with a flush card.

Do you x/c the Turn? Sure you can, but you now offer V a free card to improve and you probably don't get paid on the River.

Just a 'normal' poker spot where there's really no wrong way to play it .. other than initially over committing yourself and allowing V to play perfectly for their holding. GL

Donka, why are you betting here?