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10-02-2018 , 02:28 PM
I think you mean well, and you're on the right track Nepeeme2008. You're just at square one of your poker intelligence development. You will look back on your posts from this time in like 3 years (provided you continue to improve) and laugh at the things you're saying now. Trust me. I do it all the time.
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10-02-2018 , 02:31 PM
My guess is that I'd rather be perceived as a typical run-of-the-mill losing player, but I guess each would have it's pros and cons.

I think I used to fret a little bit more about my image but now I've grown into it a bit more and accepted it and just try to do the best I can within it.

GcluelessimagenoobG
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10-02-2018 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I will have to concede up to , let's say, 80%. I'm not here to argue or insist that my ideas are better than anyone else's. After all, these aren't even my ideas!
I guess what I was trying to say to GG is, that it's better to be perceived as a winning poker player at your poker room, as opposed to a losing player.
If you think someone is a losing player, will you not try to iso raise him, to play heads up against him? If you're a good player, of course you wil Will.
You'll try to take advantage of that perceived weak player.
You'll play more aggressive against him, because of his perceived weak IMAGE!!

I rest my case.


This is not right at all


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10-02-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Randal_Graves
I think you mean well, and you're on the right track Nepeeme2008. You're just at square one of your poker intelligence development. You will look back on your posts from this time in like 3 years (provided you continue to improve) and laugh at the things you're saying now. Trust me. I do it all the time.
I think you're probably right,lol.
I know that many of my earliest posts are somewhat incoherent.
I'm definitely a slow learner. I've only, in the past two years, started to re dedicate my self to poker.

But, enough about me. I persist that this theory, or whatever you want to call it, has it's merits.
If anyone wants to dispute this subject matter any further, please contact John Fox!!
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10-02-2018 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Nepeeme2008
I think you're probably right,lol.
I know that many of my earliest posts are somewhat incoherent.
I'm definitely a slow learner. I've only, in the past two years, started to re dedicate my self to poker.

But, enough about me. I persist that this theory, or whatever you want to call it, has it's merits.
If anyone wants to dispute this subject matter any further, please contact John Fox!!
It has it's merits but you need to know the limitations of it. One of the best things you can learn is what your opponent's think about you. You have to be careful however to not just assume what people think. Also, some people will literally tell you that they think you never bluff and then they can't help themselves and will just call you down anyway with top pair no kicker and you get caught bluffing and kick yourself. It's important to know when people's actions will follow their words.

A reg got mad at me verbally the other day because I got JJ in pre in a straddled pot so it was 50bb effective, I opened and got 2 calls and he squeezed from the blinds. He was upset that I would think JJ is in good shape there. OK bro my bad I didn't know you never ever try and bluff and take down a ton of dead money there, thank you for the free information and I'll be sure to only get in KK+ vs you from now on. (Yeah JJ vs QQ J in the window thx for $)
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10-02-2018 , 03:05 PM
I don't often get in all my chips in as 4:1 fave preflop, but when I do I always make sure to get mad at my opponent if he hits.

GpokerisawesomeG
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10-02-2018 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
FWIW, I think it is completely justified in calling me a nit. I am a nit! I believe nit poker is a very good strategy to beat my game.

G100%nitG




I've never said passive is optimal, and I've never claimed my method is the best method. It's a method that works very well for me, especially since it plays to my strengths / my wheelhouse / fits well with my overall nature.

I'm sure there are also other-side-of-the-coin aggressive players who are also winners, perhaps even bigger winners than me in my game (hard to tell for sure, I've never compared long term sample sizes with any aggro players in my game).

My point was simply this: most players raise far too wide from far too many positions, and it doesn't make them automatic default winners just cuz they're aggressive.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Who are you avoiding and why are you avoiding them?
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10-02-2018 , 03:43 PM
Good back and forth guys.
I know that I'm usually the least informed and that I shouldn't post too much for that reason.
But, I just can't help myself sometimes.
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10-02-2018 , 04:07 PM
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Who are you avoiding and why are you avoiding them?
I'm avoiding players (not even necessarily winning players) that are non-ABC/straightforward/faceup that are very capable (either by sound method or random button clicking) of putting me in gross spots deep where I'm grasping at straws (and mostly button clicking myself) when it comes to knowing what to do when they put me in those spots. Far easier stress-free low hanging fruit for me to collect, and I see no reason why I should have to climb to the top of the tree and risk falling.

Still not sure what your point is, I'm guessing it has something to do with the value of aggression? Sitting short / non-deep with these overly aggressive opponents is a dream. Sitting deep, not so much.

GbutyoucanclimbasmanytreesasyouwantG
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10-03-2018 , 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I'm avoiding players (not even necessarily winning players) that are non-ABC/straightforward/faceup that are very capable (either by sound method or random button clicking) of putting me in gross spots deep where I'm grasping at straws (and mostly button clicking myself) when it comes to knowing what to do when they put me in those spots. Far easier stress-free low hanging fruit for me to collect, and I see no reason why I should have to climb to the top of the tree and risk falling.

Still not sure what your point is, I'm guessing it has something to do with the value of aggression? Sitting short / non-deep with these overly aggressive opponents is a dream. Sitting deep, not so much.

GbutyoucanclimbasmanytreesasyouwantG
My primary point is that there are other winning players in your room. Have you considered trying to observe why they are successful and what aspects of their game you could incorporate into your own?
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10-03-2018 , 11:39 AM
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My primary point is that there are other winning players in your room. Have you considered trying to observe why they are successful and what aspects of their game you could incorporate into your own?
To be honest, I have no idea how much (if anything at all) the aggro difficult players are winning at. It's possible they are crushing the game. It's possible their winrate is no better than mine. It's possible they're losers. It's possible they are the biggest losers in the room. Unlike Ava attempted with his crusher, I'm not going to attempt to shadow a guy over a year's worth of sessions, especially when I'm only there once a week, have no idea what he's in for each time, or how much he cashes out for after I go home, etc. And I'm also certain there is a short term wow factor that can easily be achieved; we'll see if they're still around in 5 years (the ones that preceded them ain't, no doubt on to bigger and better things?).

I'll certainly admit there's a handful of players where I'd be super curious as to what their winrate / sample size is, and would certainly like to pick their brains *if* it similar+ as mine. But I'm not too overly concerned, especially since I see enough obvious shortstack mistakes from them where I begin to question whether they know anything at all (although I do give them an excuse of just gambooling it up short in order to quickly get them into their deepstack wheelhouse, but I might be giving them too much credit).

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-04-2018 , 12:48 PM
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My primary point is that there are other winning players in your room. Have you considered trying to observe why they are successful and what aspects of their game you could incorporate into your own?
There is a difference between being a winning player and being a good one.

Paying attention to how the winners in one's room is a good thing. One thing it can reveal is how they are beating the game. Another thing it can reveal is precisely how they leaving their ass exposed while doing the things they do to beat the game.
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10-04-2018 , 02:13 PM
Hello again y'all. Hope this is the right place for this post.
I'm an exclusively 1/2 rec.
Been buying the fool amount of late which is 300 in my game.
Been on a losing streak.
Contemplating switching down to 200 until I get things turned around.
What adjustments should I make when buying in for only 200 as opposed to the full amount?
Would a 200 buy in constitute a short stack strategy?
Help needed and appreciated. As a matter of fact, I promise not to post any more strat advice until I turn it around��
Thanks.
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10-04-2018 , 02:44 PM
I don't play 1/2 NL so I'm not fully aware of what players consider a lol stackoff situation $$$-wise but...

$200 is 100bb in a 1/2 NL game, and even though live lowstakes games can play a lot shorter due to biggish preflop raise sizes going very multiway, I don't think anyone would consider 100bb short. $300 in a 1/2 NL game is 150bb, and while this certainly wouldn't be considered deepstacked it's definitely not remotely close to shortstacked (and more deep than short).

If you're having difficulty, I would consider BIing and then keeping your stack topped off to somewhere in the $100 - $120 range (i.e. keep some extra chips in your pocket and plonk them on your stack if you start dipping much below this). Play tight and in position; play premium hands such that stacks are going in by the turn; and mostly only get into a pot with a speculative hand if it's going to be cheap. Don't bluff (perhaps only considering situations where a very good spot to do so arises). If you double up, you'll be left with a decision as to whether continue and play deep (or move to a shorter stacked table) versus perhaps calling it a day at that point if you don't know what you're doing deeper.

Also, post some HHs in the forum to get feedback.

Ggoodluck!G
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10-04-2018 , 05:04 PM
Step 1 thank GG for the well wishes and ignore the strat.
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10-04-2018 , 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 4_4
Step 1 thank GG for the well wishes and ignore the strat.
Not seeing at all how this post is helpful?

Instead of just continually dumping on my posts, perhaps try making a helpful one of your own?

GcluelessNLnoobG
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10-04-2018 , 06:38 PM
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Not seeing at all how this post is helpful?

Instead of just continually dumping on my posts, perhaps try making a helpful one of your own?

GcluelessNLnoobG


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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I don't play 1/2 NL so I'm not fully aware of what players consider a lol stackoff situation $$$-wise but...

$200 is 100bb in a 1/2 NL game, and even though live lowstakes games can play a lot shorter due to biggish preflop raise sizes going very multiway, I don't think anyone would consider 100bb short. $300 in a 1/2 NL game is 150bb, and while this certainly wouldn't be considered deepstacked it's definitely not remotely close to shortstacked (and more deep than short).

If you're having difficulty, I would consider BIing and then keeping your stack topped off to somewhere in the $100 - $120 range (i.e. keep some extra chips in your pocket and plonk them on your stack if you start dipping much below this). Play tight and in position; play premium hands such that stacks are going in by the turn; and mostly only get into a pot with a speculative hand if it's going to be cheap. Don't bluff (perhaps only considering situations where a very good spot to do so arises). If you double up, you'll be left with a decision as to whether continue and play deep (or move to a shorter stacked table) versus perhaps calling it a day at that point if you don't know what you're doing deeper.

Also, post some HHs in the forum to get feedback.

Ggoodluck!G


I'm not sure the value of buying in short. I would agree that he could play super tight in all positions except BTN, CO and HJ. 1/2 and 1/3 players generally play way too tight or way too loose pre and incredibly play worse post flop. I agree post a lot of hands.

Biggest leak I see at this stake is not value betting properly both in terms of sizing and frequency. Analyze the hands you win as much or more than the hands you lose


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10-04-2018 , 08:17 PM
I'd like thank all the advice so far. I'm responding so quickly because I don't like to see the negativity. GG was the first to respond and give me immediate feedback. I appreciate and respect his advice.
I personally like his strategy theories. I think that they're very relevant for today's ls live nl holde m.
Anyways. Ok,to be honest, I'm not thrilled about playing with 100.
I may be delusional, but I honestly think I'm to skilled to resort to that.
Can we reboot. How should I treat a 200 buy in stack as opposed to a 300?
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10-04-2018 , 09:17 PM
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I'm not sure the value of buying in short. I would agree that he could play super tight in all positions except BTN, CO and HJ. 1/2 and 1/3 players generally play way too tight or way too loose pre and incredibly play worse post flop. I agree post a lot of hands.

Biggest leak I see at this stake is not value betting properly both in terms of sizing and frequency. Analyze the hands you win as much or more than the hands you lose


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Thanks
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10-05-2018 , 12:21 AM
One of the challenging things about poker is that bad advice is plentiful. Telling you who to ignore is very worthwhile. Nearly everything you learn from GG you will have to unlearn if you stick around and progress.

Buy in full. Post hand histories. Don't play scared. Bluff the river. 3bet pre. Raise 3x pre. Ignore GG. Ignore strat from 2006. Don't limp. Don't fold top top or better. Have some fun. Play suited cards. bet your hand. Don't slow play. bet when you got it and sometimes when you don't
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10-05-2018 , 01:21 AM
I think GG means well, but you need to understand he's found an oasis where he is winning by doing things that would, in the best case (in my estimation from playing across the country), break even in other poker climates.

If you want to move to where he plays, play the way he plays, and print money at 1/3, who am I to say that's a bad thing?

If you want to climb up to 2/5 and maybe beyond and build a strong all around poker game and be a favorite in a vast majority of LLSNL lineups across the country, seek advice from people that fit that mold.
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10-05-2018 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 4_4
One of the challenging things about poker is that bad advice is plentiful. Telling you who to ignore is very worthwhile. Nearly everything you learn from GG you will have to unlearn if you stick around and progress.

Buy in full. Post hand histories. Don't play scared. Bluff the river. 3bet pre. Raise 3x pre. Ignore GG. Ignore strat from 2006. Don't limp. Don't fold top top or better. Have some fun. Play suited cards. bet your hand. Don't slow play. bet when you got it and sometimes when you don't
And make sure to bring as many buy-ins as you can.
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10-05-2018 , 02:55 AM
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And make sure to bring as many buy-ins as you can.
Meh. I prefer a stop loss but whatever works for you.
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10-05-2018 , 03:19 AM
yeah, I've got about 3000 hours of poker 'experience' over 7 years and the stakes I play at don't have any real bearing on my finances at all and I still haven't ever been able to play anywhere close to my best poker once I'm down at or close to 3 full buy ins at 2/5

good luck to you if you can but I'm not built that way
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10-05-2018 , 07:08 AM
I'm at 8000. Embarrassingly, I need breaks to restore confidence as soon as I downswing a few buyins. At this point I've mostly given up on fixing that and just try to be honest with myself.
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