LP with pocket Qs, EP all in 12BB gets a call, do I fold? - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

I'm in late position with pocket Qs stack 40BB, a EP goes all in with 12BB and gets a MP call who has around 50BB, should I call? I folded, my reasoning was that If the flop had a A or K I would be in trouble if the MP showed any interest. With 25BB in the pot I would end up all in. I figured what could the MP have to call the EP, he would most likely have something with an ace or king. Is reasonable thinking?

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11-13-2010 , 10:03 AM

capone0

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wtf...fail. you can go all-in too.

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11-13-2010 , 10:33 AM

BigSkip

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Um, is this a level?

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11-13-2010 , 12:21 PM

quesuerte

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Read a "poker basics" book, activate your brain and you'll soon be able to answer your own question and a whole lot more. Sorry OP but this is not thread worthy and you'll be lucky to find anybody to explain the whole game of poker to you.

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11-13-2010 , 01:23 PM

Ca$chten

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Originally Posted by quesuerte

def. THIS!!!

and... r u on crack or some ****??

u got 40BB and QQs stick it the **** in!!!

Im sorry but, unless, someone is gonna explain the whole game to him...

/ thread

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11-13-2010 , 01:32 PM

masaraksh

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Originally Posted by Thirdman

I like the way you approach the game OP, I play the same. for sure you can't call, there will be Ace or King and then "HURR WAT TO DO?!". Don't want to get into tough spots like that, we are super deep (40BB).

A little better way to play it would be to min-raise 3bet pre with the intent of folding to a shove (because if he shove he's gotta have like A or K somewhere in hand or on flop?!) but that way we get min-raise value odds.

keep on truckin OP.

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11-13-2010 , 01:37 PM

Ca$chten

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love it!

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11-13-2010 , 01:48 PM

fatduck

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i would raise to about 23BB as a semibluff. if he reraises you all in preflop then stare him down for about 5 min and call by sliding your chips out very slowly and deliberately.

you've got position with a hand that has strong drawing potential to quads or a royal flush, great implied odds for the bad beat jackpot as well

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11-13-2010 , 02:08 PM

masaraksh

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Originally Posted by fatduck

you are forgetting the reverse implied odds since villain has an over-quads draw, this makes it a much closer decision, especially since (like i said before) hero is pretty deep - 40BB.

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11-13-2010 , 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by masaraksh

Utterly brilliant. I got a good laugh out of this.

I thought OP could be leveling but he's got a non-recent join date and 140 posts

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11-13-2010 , 02:42 PM

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2OutsNoProb

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Originally Posted by fatduck

i would raise to about 23BB as a semibluff. if he reraises you all in preflop then stare him down for about 5 min and call by sliding your chips out very slowly and deliberately.

you've got position with a hand that has strong drawing potential to quads or a royal flush, great implied odds for the bad beat jackpot as well

This is ridiculous, his opponent clearly is going to have AA or KK with shared suits, thus making a royal flush impossible.

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11-13-2010 , 02:44 PM

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2OutsNoProb

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The irony of threads authored by this OP on 9/11/10 and 9/12/10 should be lost on no one

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11-13-2010 , 02:45 PM

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Thirdman

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OK now I feel thoroughly chastised, I've not got much NL experience, mostly internet limit, well that's my excuse anyway. It turned out MP OP did flop his ace, but that's not really the point.

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11-13-2010 , 02:49 PM

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masaraksh

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Originally Posted by Thirdman

OK now I feel thoroughly chastised, I've not got much NL experience, mostly internet limit, well that's my excuse anyway. It turned out MP OP did flop his ace, but that's not really the point.

well played, sounds like you're crushing the field. time to move up to where they respect your raises.

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11-13-2010 , 03:00 PM

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Thirdman

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Originally Posted by masaraksh

well played, sounds like you're crushing the field. time to move up to where they respect your raises.

Maybe it was my special ESP powers in action.

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11-13-2010 , 04:23 PM

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fatduck

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

The irony of threads authored by this OP on 9/11/10 and 9/12/10 should be lost on no one

ed miller would be so proud

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11-14-2010 , 06:45 AM

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acescracked84

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Originally Posted by Thirdman

40bb? This must be in California. If not, reload before the hand to the max. You need to instashove here. QQ is the third best hand! You have 40bb. Is this a level?

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11-14-2010 , 02:23 PM

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Garick

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Seriously, OP. All sarcasm aside, you are WAY too short to be folding QQ. AIRR for sure, and not just at 40BB. You should be looking to get it in pre for anything up to at least 70BB. Then you have no worries about post-flop play.

And you prob should read this http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/32...thread-340027/

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11-14-2010 , 02:36 PM

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Dcpepper12

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This is why I play live

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11-14-2010 , 04:45 PM

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canoodles

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levelaments?

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11-14-2010 , 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Thirdman

I was going to say something crummy, but then decided hey, we all started somewhere. Learn some basics, this is just too beginner a question for even a low stakes forum IMO. Answer of course is to 3 bet and get it down to you and the other two.\

But spend some time at microstakes here and get some basics, or the forums can dish out some abuse from time to time.

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11-14-2010 , 06:19 PM

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masaraksh

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Originally Posted by AintNoLimit

this is where you're wrong. the flop may have an ace, and thats scary.

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11-14-2010 , 07:21 PM

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2OutsNoProb

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Since this thread has survived, might as well get some value out of it:

Assume same game where it's 40xBB buy in parameters, and assume we don't play worried about what's going to flop

Hero in LP with 40xBB with XX
EP open shoves 12xBB
MP, who we have no info on and covers us, calls the 12xBB shove
Action to us, and there are 3-4 players to act behind

What's the worst XX we shove with?
What's the best XX we fold?

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11-14-2010 , 08:25 PM

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masaraksh

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

Since this thread has survived, might as well get some value out of it:

Assume same game where it's 40xBB buy in parameters, and assume we don't play worried about what's going to flop

I will get it in with TT+/AQ+ any day.

but what about our FLATTING range?

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11-14-2010 , 08:56 PM

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2OutsNoProb

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I really don't think there's any hand that can profitably flat 30% of our stack where it's easy to play the flop, other than maybe doing this to get cute with AA.

I agree with your range, my first thought was that AJs would be in a difficult spot in this situation.

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