Inconsequential hand, but it's against Ed Miller, so what the hell... - Page 3 - Live Low-stakes No Limit Poker Forum

Can someone direct Limon to this thread. Idk why but I'm sound on my advice. I could be totally wrong and ed could play like any other low stakes cpu jockey.

limon is always interesting.

my advice, similar to yours, might have been twisted by the fact Dominic, a twoplustwo legend on some of the other forums, posted this in the first place. based on the probability of the twist, i think there is a surprise in this thread.

Last edited by 2cute; 10-24-2011 at 10:10 PM. Reason: needed to spell dom correctly

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10-24-2011 , 10:18 PM

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canoodles

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Saying he can't have bluffs here is wrong; he's not your typical show-down monkey who's going to think his 78 is good here, but he also doesn't have enough bluffs and can't have weaker for value that this is an easy fold.

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10-24-2011 , 10:31 PM

#53

stampler

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If he's playing optimally, it prolly doesn't matter what you do; the EV is roughly the same, and if you had to, weight it towards folding.

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10-24-2011 , 10:41 PM

#54

Dominic

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Lol...no twist.

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10-24-2011 , 11:06 PM

#55

ChickenNuts

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Does Ed know that you recognize him? I am wondering if he ever uses his image.

The $80 bet is a good value bet / bluff. Is he bluffing often enough to call? IDK. The turn check is fishy since I'd expect him to continue to build the pot with a big hand, but maybe he thought Dom would fire again and/or fold to aggression & a scare card.

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10-24-2011 , 11:45 PM

#56

Pay4Myschool

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Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Board is atrocious donks can't call. Flush and boats out there.

Let's break it down, why would he bet 2pair for value here?

Poke is saying AQ right, that hand has showdown value, an experience player is not leading with 2pair. He is going to check hoping for a check through or call a small bet.

Ok let's say he has a flush, he would c/c that as well. So he won't get raised by some weird hand like trip 2s or a strong ace.

So this only leads to a boat/air. The range is very narrow if you actually know how to hand read.

To get value from hands that wont bet, but will call (liiiiike Ax, KQ, AK, etc)

thought that was a no brainer.Ed Miller is a SS donkey crusher and knows the Bet/fold line very well. This is a perfect line to get value from worse hands like the above I listed. Obviously it worked against you since you are calling this down!

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10-25-2011 , 04:01 PM

#57

fluxboy

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On a side note...

Ed made a million dollars writing poker books. He didn't make a million dollars playing the game. I see no inconsistency with him playing the small stakes live games.

Best,
Flux

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10-25-2011 , 04:48 PM

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livegrinder

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It would be amazing to me if Ed Miller is a millionaire through the poker books.

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10-25-2011 , 05:38 PM

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Dominic

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How much do you think Miller made with all of his books? I'd be astounded if it's in the 6 figures; although, if his deal includes a per copy sold clause and not just a one-time fee, he possibly could make it there.

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10-25-2011 , 05:58 PM

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myshadow75

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Most book deals do include per book sold clauses. Authors don't get much up front payment unless they are established top sellers.

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10-25-2011 , 06:11 PM

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Dominic

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Originally Posted by myshadow75

Most book deals do include per book sold clauses. Authors don't get much up front payment unless they are established top sellers.

I understand that..but with Miller's relationship with 2+2, I wouldn't be surprised if he got an upfront fee in the 5k to 10k range. With a small % of per books sold.

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10-25-2011 , 06:21 PM

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myshadow75

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Possible, but once the number of books sold reaches a certain point (enough to cover the advance), that percentage should go up.

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10-25-2011 , 07:28 PM

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myshadow75

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I would be surprised if he got a deal that was significantly less than book publication industry standards. Particularly since poker books sell well.

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10-25-2011 , 07:30 PM

#64

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Originally Posted by Dominic

I mean, his net worth. Not how much he's made. Since anyone is a millionaire if the work a 50k job for 20 years.

Sorry.

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10-25-2011 , 07:41 PM

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Dominic

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well, I have been corrected by someone close to Ed. Let's just say he has done very well on his books and DVDs...much better than I assumed!

And yes, he does sit in 2/5 games in order to research.

Good to know!

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10-25-2011 , 07:44 PM

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PokahBlows

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Does he buyin for 1k in 2/5 vegas?

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10-25-2011 , 07:47 PM

#67

Dominic

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Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Does he buyin for 1k in 2/5 vegas?

I'm pretty sure he bought in for 1k, but I could be wrong.

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10-25-2011 , 07:50 PM

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PokahBlows

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Originally Posted by Dominic

I'm pretty sure he bought in for 1k, but I could be wrong.

Yeah that's the love of the vegas games. Can't wait till I move there for good.

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10-25-2011 , 08:00 PM

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Dominic

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Originally Posted by PokahBlows

Yeah that's the love of the vegas games. Can't wait till I move there for good.

they're so good...I'm on a ridiculous 11-session heater right now....all without really having to do much but value bet my big hands. It's silly.

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10-25-2011 , 08:07 PM

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PokahBlows

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Originally Posted by Dominic

they're so good...I'm on a ridiculous 11-session heater right now....all without really having to do much but value bet my big hands. It's silly.

The vegas games will always be good. Its the poker capitol of the world. Every donk in the world wants to go on a vegas trip. The free drinks all night help as well.

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11-01-2011 , 09:47 AM

#71

2cute

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Originally Posted by Dominic

Lol...no twist.

are we ever going to get an update on this hand?

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11-01-2011 , 12:39 PM

#72

Little_blue

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I think the right thing to do was to call, just so you could let everyone at 2+2 know what he had.....

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11-02-2011 , 12:50 AM

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limon

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Originally Posted by Dominic

$2/5 at MGM on Saturday. I'm playing fairly well, bought in for $700 and have my stack to about $1500.

Poker author Ed Miller sits down and over the course of about an hour, plays fairly tight, making lots of folds. Then we get involved in a hand. Ed has about $1000 behind.

After UTG limps (an awful player), I raise to $25 in MP with K

. Ed call in the SB and the UTG limper calls, as well.

Flop: ($80)

Q

Checked to me. I bet $60. Ed calls, UTG folds.

Turn: ($200)

A

Ed looks as though he's considering leading out, but checks. I check.

River: 2

Ed tanks for about a minute before leading out for $80.

Hero???

My thought process is that we're chopping most queens, but I can't imagine that being anywhere but at the bottom of his range.

the hands ed plays out of the blinds to a raise are considered "premium". youre in really bad shape against his range if hes taking any of this seriously and you have no past history. and isnt he only known as "noted poker authority"?

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11-02-2011 , 01:29 AM

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BogusRogus

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I was at this table for this hand. OP left out this fact. After betting 80 on the river, OP was tanking. Ed then said "If you fold and save the 80 dollars, you can afford to buy 3 of my books. Will give you more information than a call." I was like wow a d$@k....

Ok edit - none of that happened.

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11-02-2011 , 09:56 PM

#75

TAOxEaglex

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<----Dying to know what he had

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