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Inconsequential hand, but it's against Ed Miller, so what the hell... Inconsequential hand, but it's against Ed Miller, so what the hell...

10-24-2011 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
@Dominic looked at your line dude. No experienced player is leading with a flush/boat on this river. You raised preflop, bet the flop, checked turn. Now he knows you have a top pair type hand. River is a wonderful card, board pairs, flush draw OTT didn't get there. He has no chance of beating top pair, that's why he leads.

Your line is consistent with the normal low stakes pot control line. Which is why internet players call it a donk line. The reason being is you can get bluffed off top pair on rivers. River play is what separates the good from the norm.
So OP does look incredibly weak BUT what does ed call w/ here on the flop that didnt get there????? you really think hes floating w/ kj (non spades) or some pps? don't think he plays like that but could be wrong.... certain queens do make sense but calling for a chop a lot of the time
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10-24-2011 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
So this only leads to a boat/air. The range is very narrow if you actually know how to hand read.
You're right that the range is very narrow, except that your conception of Ed's range is nowhere near what he is portraying.

Clearly you have demonstrated that you don't know how to read hands.
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10-24-2011 , 06:43 PM
Everything got there. The only other hands I don't lose to are KJs and QJs. And that, I'm chopping with. Plus, those hands have to be at the bottom of his range.

I can't for the life of me see Ed Miller lead out on the river with what he expects to be a chop a good majority of the time. We have absolutely no history together and i can't see him making some multi-level lead on the river in the hopes I fold a chopped pot.

Normally, I'd probably bet the turn on a non-Ace spade. But I see no reason to bet that card. It hits his range squarely in the face, whether it's AQ or AsXs.

I did actually think of raising the river, repping a boat, but I didn't think that made much sense.
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10-24-2011 , 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mp2012
Why did you bet so much on the flop? Please explain.
meh....3/4 pot. The other guy in the hand was a donk who would call any bets with a flush draw, so I thought I'd charge him a premium.
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10-24-2011 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
Normally, I'd probably bet the turn on a non-Ace spade. But I see no reason to bet that card. It hits his range squarely in the face, whether it's AQ or AsXs.
Not betting the turn means that you are completely giving up on the hand.

I am fine with that as well, but if I were to have a chance of winning, turn bet is necessary.
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10-24-2011 , 06:48 PM
Just curious in case "pokahblows" makes to want to make another ******ed post..

For what reason can we NOT have AA/QQ/77/22 here?
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10-24-2011 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
meh....3/4 pot. The other guy in the hand was a donk who would call any bets with a flush draw, so I thought I'd charge him a premium.
even more of a reason why ed shouldn't be bluffing here.

he has a donk behind him and you bet 3/4th pot for value, so he should nit fold 88-JJ.
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10-24-2011 , 07:30 PM
so do we think a river raise might work a good % of the time or not?
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10-24-2011 , 07:36 PM
Against Ed, yes.
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10-24-2011 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Dominic
so do we think a river raise might work a good % of the time or not?
Not if you don't know how to hand read on the river. You have to be able to analyze your line and villains line, to come up with a play. Anygood hand reader knows ed is repping very little on this board.

Like I said in previous post, ed is never bet/folding this river with mediocre hands. Its a boat/air 99% of the time.
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10-24-2011 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by livegrinder
Just curious in case "pokahblows" makes to want to make another ******ed post..

For what reason can we NOT have AA/QQ/77/22 here?
No, we can't have a set here. We would bet the turn in this spot like 80/20.
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10-24-2011 , 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PokahBlows
Wow finally someone with some sense(thankyou). Ed could easily have jacks,10,9s and even 8s, he knows he is playing with donks.
That doesn't make any sense... If he thinks he is playing with donks why would he make a 1/3 pot bet with air against a calling station?
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10-24-2011 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mp2012
That doesn't make any sense... If he thinks he is playing with donks why would he make a 1/3 pot bet with air against a calling station?
Board texture and hero's line. Analyze please.
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10-24-2011 , 07:51 PM
You're so bad. We can always have a set here.
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10-24-2011 , 07:51 PM
Having attempted to think in PokahBlows' thought process, I have just become worse in poker.
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10-24-2011 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
Having attempted to think in PokahBlows' thought process, I have just become worse in poker.
Heh. I am enjoying this!
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10-24-2011 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by poke4fun
Having attempted to think in PokahBlows' thought process, I have just become worse in poker.
Nice level, see you in the highstakes games at a later date.
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10-24-2011 , 07:57 PM
Don't know why I'm bothering but

1. Why can't he have and bet AQ? (count combos)
2. Why can't he have and bet flushes (count combos)
3. How many boats can he have?
4. How can he get here with air?

So, pokerblows claim he has boat air here 99% of the time is clearly LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Having said all that, and accepting this is a fold, I think people are way, way, way over estimating the probability that this dude plays as he advises in his books.
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10-24-2011 , 07:58 PM
Has the game passed ED miller by or does he play lower stakes for writing purposes?
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10-24-2011 , 07:59 PM
I've come to the conclusion that pokahblows is just ****ing with us because no one can have a thought process so grossly ******ed, someone please ban him.

I thInk the hands at the bottom of Ed's range are KQs, QJs, and maybe QTs... And we don't beat any of those we can only chop at best.

Easy Fold
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10-24-2011 , 08:10 PM
Can someone direct Limon to this thread. Idk why but I'm sound on my advice. I could be totally wrong and ed could play like any other low stakes cpu jockey.
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10-24-2011 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Richyrich9987
Has the game passed ED miller by or does he play lower stakes for writing purposes?
Why does either of these have to be true? So many weird assumptions in that question.
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10-24-2011 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by quesuerte
Why does either of these have to be true? So many weird assumptions in that question.
Ok, I'll get to the root of it:

Why does Ed Miller consistently play low stakes? I don't know a ton about his game but have read his books. To put it lightly, I fancy myselfa solid player and I'm fairly certain miller would crush my soul
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10-24-2011 , 09:00 PM
It is a good question... He is mainly a 2/5 player, I read an article by him recently about 'how to beat limpfests' he was primarily talking about 1/2, and in the article he stated that he plays 1/2 and 2/5 live nl regularly.

Being a poker author, and an obviously winning pro, it is weird that he doesn't play 5/10 or 10/20 instead, surely he would be able to beat those stakes with his knowledge of the game for a much higher winrate then 2/5.

I mean c'mon, who enjoys playing 1/2
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10-24-2011 , 09:01 PM
You can't write about 2/5 if you never play 2/5...

Plus, think about it. Top players can adjust, balance, take weird lines, make big bluffs, and do all kind of unpredictable stuffs. To write about such high level plays would be rather tough, and furthermore, the audience would be much smaller.
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