It's quite simple. Even though we believe we're ahead, our hand is not strong enough to play for stack.

You are only thinking in terms of NOW, and basically level 0. Yes we might get outdrawn, but poker isn't about winning every hand, and especially not about playing every hand only on the flop.

I am not playing for stack at 140BB with just TP, and given the information, no one else is playing 140BB with just TP...

So if you're playing for stack, you're likely the only one giving up the stack.

Firstly, we don't have a monster here, we are just ahead. In general you want to figure out villians # of outs and then use the rule of 4 & 2 to figure out there equity. Then you figure the pot odds they need in order to be mathematically correct in calling and then you simply bet more than that.

You also figure in the size of the pot in relation to the effective stacks. That is the piece of the puzzle that a lot of the posters in this thread are forgetting. The pot is fairly big and we should be more than fine with taking it down with a c/r now given how vulnerable our hand is.

I'm on my phone now, will write more later

You are suffering the classic case of "I think I am ahead, but not by much right now, so I will make a big bet in attempt to take this pot down NOW."

In the end, you are playing for stack as if you have a "monster" hand, even though you recognized that you don't.

No need for the personal attacks and name calling. Squeeze pre is good, as played check/call check/fold. This is not a terribly difficult situation. Check raise flop is not good, nothing worse can call.

C/r flop is based in large part on description of villians. Passively check calling down is how we lose 1/2 to 2/3 of our stack to 2p or overcard that hits.

Similarly, its not like I'm advocating playing for stacks for a 10bb pot here. If hero calls here, pot is roughly 50% effective stacks so we should have ZERO problem playing for stacks here ESPECIALLY against villians hero described.

I'm really having a hard time understanding the problem here. Sure, if they were nits I can understand.

Am I the only person who read hero villian descriptions???

Ya you are...

I'm glad you don't let the nonsense posters bother you.

Sometimes it's hard to be patient with the personal attacks that come from those who don't know how to play poker very well.

I'm curious, do your content-less posts have some disguised purpose?

10 BB is $50
If hero calls flop bet pot is $270.

Hero will have $620 behind, one villain has $520 behind thus, pot is roughly 1/2 effective stacks.

Am I the only one here doing basic math then coupling the math to my arguments.

I'm not trying to win a pissing contest. I seriously don't see how my analysis and math are wrong. If we call we are more or less committed. If we are committed then we need to be aggressive. Being passive in spots like these is not what winning poker is about ESPECIALLY against Tue villians OP describes.

Please show me w some math how and why I'm wrong here.

All you can do is lend your advice. If others don't want to listen then just shrug and let it go.

OP: There's only 1 reason you should be calling a bet with KJs OOP against 3 players. Do you know why you called? If so, the answer to your situation should be obvious.

Forget SPR...

If no one is stacking off 140BB with less than TP, then you're never ahead when you're the aggressor.

On the other hand, if villain is a spewtard, it's conceivable that he could actually bluff off 140BB.

Villain is a spewtard, not a calling station.

Bluffing, calling, and stationing are three very different ranges.

squeeze pre is good, although you'll feel like an idiot when v1 pushes his ace-rag. if you had position i would say calling flop is prob best but as is it's iffy. v2 is almost certainly trying to exploit v1 and so he could have a bunch of hands you have beat but he won't be continuing with them to any heat from you because you aren't his target. raising flop almost entirely depends on how light v1 will stack off to you, is he going to stack off any jack? tens, nine's, A8? if he sees you as weak and isn't an idiot and will make the obvious folds then raising flop is in that terrible spot where it gets all worse hands to fold and all better hands to call/raise. i don't think thats a spot i'd want to be bloating the pot in when there's just not that many worse hands that have much equity vs us. especially with one villain thats likely to continue bluffing on the turn.

tl;dr entirely depends on how light v1 will call you

Villain stuck 2k in a 5/5 game, spewtard, "in total gamble mode", and he's folding any pair/draw to a c/r here when the pot is 50% of his stack?

How long have you guys played poker?

Never heard of c-bet?

How long have YOU played poker?

+1

poke4fun what you just said has nothing to do w/ what you quoted.

half you're comments twist what people say around and make no sense. its frustrating just to read

V1 was the original raiser pre-flop, and thus his bet on the flop is a "c-bet."

Spewtard is c-betting with more than a pair and draw.

It may be frustrating because it's above your understanding of the game.

yes. you're right. vil 1 did raise pre, and he is raising on the flop. that is a cbet. gj

why do we give spewtard credit for more than a pair?

if understanding YOU is a game, your right, im not good at it.
(and again none of your comments had anything to do w/ anything you quoted)

The reason you're lost in spots like these is most likely because you can't read board texture very well.

I like check calling. As you said villain 1 is spewing and the board isn't terrible. While its semi connected it isn't two tone. Spewtards love suited cards. Against spewtards range you smashed that flop. I think you should check call here and C/C turn.

You haven't given us much of a range to construct here so I'm going to help you out. An 8 isn't a great card, a 9, 7 or 10 makes things difficult but isn't the end of the world.

Raising gets him to fold his air and you don't want to do that. You want to keep his air in the hand and if he's really spewing you should get him to fire one more barrel on the tun before rasing.

Any idea what his continuing range would be if you raised flop?

You truly have no idea what I am talking about. Continuing this discussion with you is utterly meaningless.

poke4fun, with 2,987 negative comments how are you not banned

i agree w/ you that c/c would be great against spewtard 1v1, but i disagree that is is optimal oop in a 3way pot, keeping another tricky villain in the hand by not isolating on the flop

weird poke4fun just delete his comment that did nothing but try and insult me. or was it admin? are you banned!?

That's actually not the worst card in the deck but how the action goes you have to fold now.

The hand isn't the problem it's your mindset. Villain 2 isn't a super user. He's not going to float against two opponents and try to take it away on the turn.

You seem like one of those players who thinks they always have horrid luck and magnifys it to the point you can't see how the game actually plays out.

what if vil2 is a superuser? and what if he DID just float 2 people to take it away on the turn?