Thought about it some more. Obv, on reflection, stacks not deep enough for c/r ai. Guess I'd c/f and hope maybe he checks behind. Tough spot, played well, imo.

AAismyfriend or someone else, can you please explain why betting the turn is good here? Our Opponent's range just gets soo tight considering game conditions, the callers position and the cbet size. I mean he's calling a 4/5 pot bet oop to like 6 people yet to act. What can he have?

click buttons? I suggest I am valuebetting until I get raised. Villain can have as many sets as flush draws alone here. Check folding is out for me as well as check calling.

So if you check river, you are folding to a bet? REally?

that pretty much sums it up.
imo we can consider bet/folding or c/calling.
oc we still can reevaluate, if we get minraised on a blocking bet or face a massive overbet when we check....

but imo thats the two options that are within reason

all this

b/f'ing here is pretty standard imo, c/f or c/c is laughable.

Any reason why? He is pretty much only calling with hands that beat us and lower sets. It is going to be pretty hard to get 3 streets of value even from lower sets, so if the turn checks through we can still get value from low sets on river since our hand will be underepped.

Do you think betting turn is better because it will often prevent the opponent from putting us in a bad spot when we check call the turn and he bets big on the river? Or are you just try to extract value/protect from one pair hands that have a single diamond.

Not so sure about this only one I can really think of are if he someone has pocket aces or kings with a diamond..both of which are very likely to 3bet pre. Pocket QQs through 10s which also pretty likely to 3bet pre and might fold turn considering how ridiculously strong OP's line looks. Maybe A9suited(depending if 9d was on flop), but I think this hand is much more likely to raise turn, and it will pretty much never call river anyways.

Disregard my previous post I have bad reading comprehension. I now realize you mean flush draws on the flop and what I said makes no sense really.

A distinction has to be made here: going for three streets in this spot isn't necessarily the wrong play. Going for three streets after we potted the crap out of the flop into five other players and got flatted by a player who has far more FD's than value hands in his flop flatting range then had the threeflush turn is definitely the wrong play.

Furthermore, 'valuebetting until raised' is pretty flawed thinking considering how strong a line we've taken and how since we're 400bb deep a lot of hands that would ordinarily raise for value at some point are probably going to flat to induce more bluffs/valuecutting on future streets instead. We don't need him to raise us when his turn call gives us plenty of info by screaming strength.

you guys really think he calls the river with worse???? Villian isn't some donk/fish...

just check hoping for x/x. He calls with better hand more often than with worse (not even close imo)

Even if you meant flush draws on the flop this is again not true. I can think of at least 15 combos of diamonds he would possibly call with preflop while there are only 6 combos of sets on the flop.

Even if he has a set he is likely not going to get called on river considering we are 9k deep unless OP has a pretty loose image.

The majority of the time if we bet this river the only value it has is to bluff low flushes.

Im giving villain credit for playing better than this vs us.

Thats not the point. When we bet this river we cannot have such a narrow range that we could be read like a childs book. Betting half pot is a very balanced bet and large enough that I really doubt villain takes off on any bluffraise.

So what will you do? Check? and fold if villain now valuebets his set? (which he will do if he is worth anything as a player at all)

I really do not understand pushing villains range over to about flushes only as most seem to drift here. Flush IS a good chunk of his range, but not enough to anywhere near just check fold IMO. Maybe vs some tourist yeah, but not this villain.

could you please then write down what u think is reasonable Heros and villain range OTR (while beign 8-handed (!!!!!!!!!@!@!@) on the flop ffs) instead of these random set theories?

Seriously. They can definitely still be in his range, but it's like how when I 3bet a late open from the blinds and he flats he can still have aces or kings: it might still be possible, but it's such a tiny portion of his range it's not even worth considering. Majority of the time considering how deep we are and how drawy the board is it'd be really really really really strange of him not to raise a set in an eight-way flop.

I think this villain is betting most of his range when I check the turn and raising none of his range when I bet 1800. By betting, I am putting in the same amount of money I would otherwise and I am able to maintain control of the hand. I think this allows me to play better on the river as my boats will be disguised and I can more effectively value bet his flushes and lower boats.

I honestly think I am behind villain's range on the river and betting is burning money. His range for calling flop and turn are very strong. I don't see myself betting and getting called by JJ or or lower sets very often.

I so agree with this. Betting the river makes so much sense. This villain has a calling range to justify it.

I don't think villain is flatting a set ip on hero with 6 other players left to act on such a drawy flop. Maaaybe bottom set since it's so deep.

OP probably should have mentioned that villain in this hand is actually good at poker. I feel like everyone who is suggesting bet/folding the river is assuming villain is some random mediocre live player. I'm pretty sure bet/folding and check/calling are lighting money on fire. If OP's image was ridiculous or if villain was a station I can see betting being ok, but neither of these are the case, and check/calling is lol terrible.

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I don't get the bet turn camp. Nobody who's said bet turn has given ranges and I think turn is a clear check because villain's range is mostly made flushes, OESD w/out a and pairs AA-TT, a lot of which won't have a and a lot of which villain will 3B pre. You don't have much to protect against because villain doesn't have many hands with a single in his range and your turn bet isn't a Vbet - I'm pretty sure his continuing range beats you and you're clearly not bluffing... so check. I also don't get why villain can't have a raising range on turn. I'd be very surprised if he didn't have a raising range and you hate to get raise so there's another reason why turn is a clear check to me. I like a C/F on the river if you do bet turn tho.

I disagree with pretty much all of this. Balance is important, but severely overrated in live poker. Especially in pots such as this....this is a spot we almost never get into....we don't have to take a balanced approach here. You say that villain should be value betting a set of 4s when checked to....to get value from what? OP is not some spaz station fish, what on earth is he check/calling the river with that is worse than bottom set? I would love for you to give villain a range here that allows us to bet the river profitably.

With your image, I'd probably value bet QQ, but OP is not you.

You are forgetting the fact that there is a megafish still to act......I would go as far as saying villain is flatting here with a set 100%

start by checking the river, and likely folding to a big bet.

i like the turn bet.