Game is revolving around a middle aged guy sitting on around 12k. I think he said he had some sort of management job at Fidelity investments. He is clearly rich. He has been opening half or his hands and not folding to 3bets. He peels out of position with air and does lots of other silly things, but he has been running so hot that it doesn't really matter what he does - he gets there. This player is not involved in the hand, but with such a big fish at the table and the stakes being higher than what most players sitting usually play, I think villains will be playing relatively straight forward against me. The sharks seem to for the most part staying out of each others way, playing mostly pots against the whale.

Two limpers, i make it 125 with 99 in EP. 5 callers, limpers call, 8-way to the flop.

Flop is 964dd. I bet 825 into 1025 (maybe a bit too big?). The player to my direct left (good, aggressive (internet?) player) flat calls and everyone else folds. We are each sitting on about 9k.

Turn 2d. I bet 1800, he calls.

River is a brick. 6o or something. I check.

6o gives you the nut boat so im assuming you meant for it to be a different card correct?

Seems fine. I would guess river is a check-call bcs he probably thinks you have no flushes in your range, and may bet worse sets for value, maybe even turn TT, JJ into a bluff hoping to get you off AA, KK, QQ, if he's advanced enough for that?

Didn't see that 6 paired the board, my reply was meant for if the board didn't pair. If the board paired, bet pot on the river.

It would really depend on his sizing....like someone mentioned above, the problem with check/folding is that he can bet worse sets for value here. That being said, he has a flush here more often than a set imo, so I basically have no idea wtf to do here. I guess I check/soul read.

Ugly spot. I'm making a blocking bet I think. B/soul read 1600

who is villain?

Yeah my bad. Flop was 974dd. Turn 2d. River 6o.

Just c/f river imo

I like betting a bit less on flop. Turn bet size good. River I'm thinking bet/fold. Your ahead of his calling range and unless he somehow has Ad in his hand (super unlikely) he probably won't turn his hand into a bluff.

check/ soul

the better he is, the more you should probably be inclined to call given that he probably should be raising turn some % of hte time with his flushes

really? I thought he flats all his flushes besides maybe Nut flushes on the turn especially this deep.

Check turn. Flop was fine.

This is probably true

Unless you have a super aggressive image I like check calling the turn much more than betting. It is almost impossible to get 3 streets of value if he has some sort of hand like pocket 10s or A9. He will be value betting for you many of the hands you beat such as lower sets and two pair. Also he might decide to turn a one pair hand into a bluff to get you off a possible overpair.

If he is a tough opponent that means he is a capable of raising the turn as a bluff. Especially since he views your early position raise as consisting of a tight narrow range ,possibly not including many of the lower suited connectors. You are not going to be in a great spot if you get shipped on on the turn.

Agree with mmix85, I think your turn bet is bad. You're almost overrepping your hand and he never has a hand with one diamond in it does he? It's so hard to get 3 streets of value here.

Even against his sets, betting may not be the best way to get value. And like, betting when he has a flush isn't good either.

Edit: on the river, I'm calling almost all <1/2 pot bets, maybe a tad more.

My opening range definitely has lots of SCs and all AXs and villain knows this.

What's your plan for the river after check/calling turn?

Im betting river about half pot and doing so firmly and at best tempo which will convey strength.

given that he acted directly after you on the flop, and also called the turn, he has a **** ton of flushes in his range, and i'd definitely c/f river. i also think id c/c turn, as i think his flop flat alone signifies a flush draw very often

I think his turn bet is VERY good.

Well-played up to end of post imo.

River is prob a check-fold--no major harm in that. Lots of flushes in his possible holdings. I can't see calling a bet just to get shown some sort of mediocre flush.

However, does this type of player ever flat the flop with an A-high flush draw and run the risk of being bet off the hand by one of the millions of other players still involved?

If the answer to the above is "close to never", the thought of some kind of crazy c/r ai on the river (yes, turning top set into a bluff) would probably go through my mind, because I think you're deep enough to get the fold (from a good player; as long as he's not too suspicious), and I think you can have the nuts here. I would not think of this if Villain description were more reccy/cally. Also, with Whale dynamic in play, does Villain really want to stack off against you? And similarly, would he think that you'd really want to stack off against him?

What does turn bet get action from? Also, on second thought, flop bet is too big and narrowing.

Only good thing about the turn bet (after that flop bomb into the field) is that it sets up super advanced turning top set into a bluff. Only feasible if villain won't flat with the nuts on the turn and won't call it off without the nuts on the river (both actually very possible this deep irl).

Villain has a midflush a ton here and sometimes a smaller set (though I wouldn't shape my line thinking that). As played c/f river is easy.

Any thoughts on gaybetting an lolsmall amount on the turn, like 650? It still keeps our range at least somewhat uncapped compared to checking, and there's very few bluffs that he'll spazz-raise with. He might still roll-his-eyes-call with a pair + gutter (or even a TT/JJ type hand with a diamond). When he does raise us there's decent implied since it's way more likely than usual that he has a flush and we'll still have money back to get paid off on if the river pairs the board. Plus he could easily flat with a non-nut flush figuring that raising will announce his hand (especially considering the dynamic of a bunch of pros essentially bumhunting one spot), so we basically set our own price to draw to the river.

Have thought some more about this hand. Betting turn>>>checking turn imo, and I definitely think you should just c/f the river. I don't think villain has a raising range on the turn here fwiw, and i don't think he value bets 44 or 66 when checked to otr, because OP is good and villain knows he's not check/calling with AA or w/e.

Are you trying to bluff him off a small flush or something? Or are you suggesting we click buttons out of confusion?

you say he plays straightforward since hes kinda scared money/not used to stakes.

sound like the perfect villain to b/f against.

i think we can get away with a slightly smaller bet on the turn (most players in live have no concept of potsize).
if you bet 1.35k with a 1k chip, it looks basically the same to most ppl, but saves you money on turn and river if he raises.

river i would bet 1.8-slightly under 2k. looks like a absolut valueplay, gets called by almost all twopair combos and lower sets.

him being in position, i would say he definitely flats a lot of flushes on the turn. but he prolly does the same thing with TT/JJ/QQ with a spade, since he is not expecting you to fold after bombleading into a massive field and second barreling....
guess you have to soulread if hes going to bluff with this kinda hands!