Hi all,

This 1/3 game is playing pretty nuts on a Sunday morning. Some guy pretty much was here for an hour and dusted off ~1,200 so the table is a bit deeper now thanks to that guy.

V1: He is on his "extended" lunch break from work. Playing over 50% of hands calling his all of his straddles. He is straddling this hand to $10. Middle aged guy. Playing somewhat spewy. He is more towards the passive side but can e aggressive as well. Bluffs a fair amount from what I have seen.


H: Playing super tight, however, I have been very card dead. Trying to pick my spots well with all the action here. Honestly, just kinda waiting for a premium here as I don't think typical aggression will get many folds in this game.

I have about 300 to start and V has me covered.

OTTH: V is straddling UTG to $10. I open UTG+ 1 with AQ to $30. Folds to the straddle and he calls.

($64) Flop: AK7

He checks I bet $25.

I see no reason to bet any bigger. I really like my sizing here as we can get called by worse a lot and better hands never fold

He calls.

($114) K He fairly quickly bets $40.

I think a little and call.

($194) River 4 He bets $80

Is this a fairly easy call based on pot odds alone?

We only have to be right 22.6% of the time to at least break even.

I also don't think he would lead all of the time if he turned a king, however, he can have some kings in his range. It kinda helps that block AK and KQ though.

I thought he was the button. Why is he acting first?

Sorry he was doing both every time!! This hand he was UTG my apologies and thank you for pointing that out

Still doesn't make sense if you're sb.

I have position in this hand on V. He is acting first the whole hand.

I probably raise slightly more preflop but whatever, we still got in 10% of stacks where we can trivially stack off postflop, especially against a loose straddler who is calling all raises. The more I play, the more I feel there may be an argument for doing something else preflop.

SPR is just over 4, so against a loose guy I think I'm mostly just going to bet to stack off. Although our hand is so face up where when we do (we like have the bottom of our range that should be willing to get in chips, so if he is too then we might be concerned unless he's uber bad). Against a bluffy guy, I guess I don't hate trying to induce on this relatively dry board, which is what I'm assuming the small bet is for.

Looks like our small flop bet has induced, so I also call the turn.

I also call the river. One of the downsides to sorta slowplaying it ourselves is that we usually talk ourselves into just calling the river, whereas if we bet/bet ourselves we woulda played for stacks. Although it likely evens out in the end as sometimes we win less against AJ/etc. while winning more against air/superweakhands.

GcluelessNLnoobG

looks like you got tired of waiting for premiums
easy fold pre

Think you can use his bet sizing and your image here for some good information.

Do you think V is going to donk such a small amount with a K on such a dry board when he is convinced you have TP? There's no reason to think you would slow down OTT forcing him to lead.

I think he likely has TPwk and is trying to buy a cheap showdown. I think we can either raise turn or river for more value here.

Raise more pre.

Call river.


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Why is this a fold pre? Effective stacks are way short now which favours strong broadway hands (which AQo certainly is) and big pairs. If you're raising AQo normally from UTG+1, you should certainly open it here. Also hero has been very card dead so the players at the table paying attention will probably give hero more respect while villain won't because it's a crime against humanity to not defend his straddle. In other words, most of the time hero will be heads up and in position vs a whale in a low SPR pot with AQo. What a disaster.

AP easy call. If he led turn bigger and bet river bigger I'd be more open to folding. But probably not if he's spewy and bluffs a lot.

UTG and UTG +1
AQ off is in my fold range 95% of the time
given certain table conditions and V's I may play it
but up front it hits the muck without a seconds thought

most players aren't aware enough to figure he has a good hand because he hasn't played in a while

If this is a read he has and wants to ISO target then this would fall in the 5%

as played I call river

Maybe our 25$ cbet feels weak and V is value betting for us. V might be holding onto KX sometimes but the bet size is really weird. I'll call if I'm not playing scared money

@snowman is trolling right?

some serious nits in this thread and on 2p2

I just want to point out that your read is all over the place. Spewy is not passive is not bluffs a fair amount. I'd work on my reading skills, by paying attention to when V's make the plays they make. It may clear up the confusion and start to put together a picture, like "calls w TPNK, semibluffs all his draws", etc.

lmao at fold pre. For the love of god this forum has gotten nitty

AP snap calling this. If he has a K he has a K. We beat everything else except sets.

At a very tough table I can be on board with folding AQo in UTG and UTG+1 and opening more suited hands like 65s that have better board coverage and are better 4 bet bluff candidates. But if our 1/3 game is so bad that we have to do that, we're in the wrong game.

UTG & UTG +1
my raise range AA KK QQ AK suited 78 suited 89 suited A5 suited A4 suited

AQ off goes right in the muck
day games are nitty OMC fests limp call AK is standard with them

night and weekend games diff story

mid late position different
we're talking front 2 positions only with several nits and OMC's yet to act

actually when I sit every one groans and says fasten your seat belts the maniac is here

QQ+ AKs and a few lower suited hands? What? So you're gonna limp a hand like AKo and JJ? If it's a nitty OMC fest, you should absolutely be loosening up and ramping up the aggression when folded to you or vs limpers. Sure sometimes they'll limp call AK. But they'll also limp fold KJ along with a million other hands. All you have to do is attack when they show weakness or an unwillingness to stack off and abort when they show strength by making stack committing bets or raises.

OK so you raised 99 UTG and a nit calls you on the BTN. Not a great spot but nowhere near a disaster. Play poker and figure out if you're up against TT+ or AK/AQ. Don't play the range you said. If you do, YOU'RE now the OMC.

not to derail OP's post but

look at the Daytona Beach web site
HH promo's out the AS...….

limp call AA KK QQ JJ 10-10 all the time by them

they don't play poker just there to HH bingo the day away
so end up betting TPTK only to be shown AA or KK as they check call to the river

Ya seriously. Like I understand the whole "you're risking 30 to win 14 you can just fold" stuff but sometimes you just have a top 7% hand and it's really hard for someone to beat that hand (and do the combos out, there's 1225 other possible hands and 24 have you in jail, the probability that no one has one of said 24 combos is .837). If you can't make money 30 bb deep with AQo from any position, you should probably quit poker.

Then don't turn TPTK into a three street hand vs a nit? When I say ramp up the aggression preflop, I'm assuming you know how to assess your hand value postflop. In OMC games top pair goes way down in value and spots to bluff them off top pair with SCs that have equity goes way up in value. Cause they will fold if board is scary and you bet enough.

/derail

Easier said than done in small SPR pots of ~4, especially on drawy boards, imo.

This flop against a nit we could maybe not get in stacks versus a nit (starting by checking the flop as it's doubtful we're getting paid off by worse versus a nit and hoping it checks thru). But if it ends up OOP (which it mostly will with us being UTG) then that becomes even more difficult.

GundecidedonpreflopG

It's not difficult. You just fold. It takes three slightly larger than 1/2 pot bets to get all in with an SPR of 4. You don't have to pay off the third bet and sometimes can find a fold facing the second bet.

So you're just going to weakly check TP on the flop and turn and fold to a turn bet to a ~1/2 PSB? And what about on drawy boards? Even the nittiest of nits could easily think their AJ- is best if that's how we're playing the hand, no? Admittedly, most nits auto-checkback the river with just TP once the draws bust. But things become difficult again if the bets on early streets to our passiveness are much larger than 1/2 PSB (where AJ- could easily be betting big to charge the draws).

Gagain,easiersaidthandone,imoG