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09-02-2009 , 01:52 PM

#26

DoubleFly

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 5,983

wat?!? this is such a super easy call. shove is very thin and borderline ******ed for reasons previously mentioned. fold is completely ridiculous considering we don't know this guy very well (few hundred hands, right?). You need a REAL read to fold.

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09-03-2009 , 08:41 PM

#27

AnneFranks_DrumKit

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 386

You wouldnt be in this spot if you hadnt played every street like a scared lamb.

If you'd lead river you coulda been the one calling the $161 instead of raising to that to leave yourself open to be raised. (if you knew a re-raise woulda made you chit yourself)

AA with the A of clubs is my guess....meh

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09-04-2009 , 12:24 AM

#28

Yugless

adept

Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 999

im pretty sure folding and shoving are both awful so call seems good by default

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09-04-2009 , 11:12 PM

#29

Rampage_Jackson

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,772

Looks like a call. Can't see him checking behind a boat that much on a turn. I think he shows up with the ace high flush a lot here.

What was his timing? If he best on the faster side I would definitely call, as it more likely menas he just slid the slider bar over with his ace high flush before even considering you had a boat. Whereas if he times for over 5 seconds, he probably thinks he is being clever with his boat.

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09-06-2009 , 11:33 PM

#30

Renton

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,822

its at least a call. I would probably call in the moment because there wouldn't be time for a critical analysis of his range, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were a shove.

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09-11-2009 , 11:19 PM

#31

Tapow Dayok

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,121

Crying call. This villain will show up with the ace of clubs enough to justify it.

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09-11-2009 , 11:24 PM

#32

novel20

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,712

What is the result? Pretty sure you called.

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09-12-2009 , 06:31 AM

#33

imfromsweden

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 10,152

I always assumed this was the easiest shove ever aginst a fish...

Results please!

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09-19-2009 , 05:26 AM

#34

RosaParks

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 2,887

The results are probably pretty obvious: I called and he had a straight flush. I called basically because for me to be beat, he had to check back a nut hand on a turn I was likely never folding and LOL folding boats to fish. However, I think he pretty much never has air or the Ac. Zeph sort of outlined why I think this is probably close to a fold.

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09-19-2009 , 06:04 AM

#35

xLeCheif

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 193

close between a call and a shove, and i coulnt possbly think of ever folding here

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09-20-2009 , 09:41 PM

#36

Penguinz21

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,889

Well... I mean... now this is a fold against this guy. But it wasn't before we saw this hand.

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09-21-2009 , 03:15 PM

#37

SABR42

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 23,313

This is never a shove. I call but don't like it.

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09-21-2009 , 03:42 PM

#38

AllTheCheese

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11,898

In after SABR.

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09-22-2009 , 02:40 PM

#39

randomplaya

grinder

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 678

Without reading the results first I did think that he had you beat, but once you c/r this on the river vs fish I just dont think it's logical to fold unless you are 100% sure he's a fish that never ever turns hands into bluffs, never ever thinks that his underfull or nutflush = the nuts, etc etc. You can probably assign %'s and work out the EV for folding vs calling but there are consequences to folding this kind of hand beyond the hand itself.

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