Villain is like 33/8 with 100% cbet over a couple hundred hands.

Poker Stars $600.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP1: $1772.60
MP2: $913.65
CO: $1301.55
BTN: $600.00
SB: $669.00
Hero (BB): $1323.30
UTG: $619.05
UTG+1: $609.00
UTG+2: $512.05

Pre Flop: ($9.00) Hero is BB with T T
4 folds, MP2 raises to $12, 3 folds, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($27.00) J 9 J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $12.00, Hero calls $12

Turn: ($51.00) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks

River: ($51.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $36.00, Hero raises to $161, MP2 raises to $414, Hero?

Easy call

i dont get it isnt this an obvious shove

1 combos of JJ
2 combos of TJo
1 combo of 8c7c
1 combo of 8cQc
1 combo of QcKc

2 combos of J9s
4 combos of J9o
3 combos of 44

5 combos of hands that beat you vs. 9 combos that you beat.

so almost 2x as many combos that you beat than beat you and that's not even taking into consideration the times he decides to go nuts with AcX, think it has to be a shove?

I'm curious how j9 is a hand we beat. Not to mention that i don't think he raises 44 pre.

ooops

Yeah, i wasn't trying to make you look dumb. My first instinct was to fist pump ship it. But after using my timebank I almost thought this was a fold. I dunno though.

thought you were trying to decide between a ship or call when i read the OP but now i see that's clearly not the case... almost 4x as many combos of full houses or better that beat you than you have beat. gross, i dunno. you're getting 2:1. basically he has to either be bluffing sometimes or be overvaluing AcX to show a profit.

Hurt, you are sucking ITT lol. You forgot 99! Imo, it's pretty close, call or shove, because a lot of the hands that beat us have to be downweighted. Like J9os, does a 33/8 really open min from the hijack with that hand? Open limp maybe, but I would expect his PFR to be higher if he was open minpopping that kind of crap on the regular.

Fold!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Never in my life have I thought it was a fish pump shove and then after using 30 seconds of my timebank I decided, "nah, I was way off. Its probably a fold." LOL!!!! are you serious??????!!!!!!!!!!

Fish is 31/8. His range is is very heavily distributed to 99,JJ,KcQc. The only question on the river is whether to call or ship her in. I don't like the fact the pot is only $50, so putting in $875 from our part feels gross. I ship her in if fishy has high aggression factor. I call if fishy has low or medium aggression factor.

This is a nasty cooler. we move on to the next hand.

is fish really checking behind with a boat/flush on this turn 150bb deep?

Is FantasticCow losing his mind?! I've seen you ship bluffs here and call down with 22. Suck it up.

So he had KQ?

The turn check in position doesn't make any sense to me if you're beat. I probably ship it as he can be overplaying Ac not expecting you to show up with a boat after your turn and river checks.

If you have any reason to think he might out-trick himself by checking the nuts on the turn, or if you're sure he wouldn't repop a paired board with a flush, or if he could be bluffing and won't even call a raise.... then just call and laugh at him for not stacking you when you're beat.

Okay, now I'm leaning toward just call.

6am strat posting

dont these morons usually think the Ac is the stone cold nizzles here

Fish never bet the turn with the nuts, especially if it's the super nuts like a straight flush or quads. They don't give a **** what you have, they just want to "play it sneaky" because deception is the goal of poker and won't you have the egg on your face when you see the straight flush on the river.

seems like a fold

I was at this table. I'm glad you posted this.

you can maybe justify a call... but not a fold

Call. So did he have the straight flush or what?

This. You state the guy is a fish, so I don't know how this could be anything other than a shove versus his range. Obviously you lost the hand (or folded, yikes) so it is a cooler, but go with your first instinct and FiPuSh versus a 33/8.

Hold on hold on. For once in our lives let's step outside of the box of general rules that most people play by (I has a set, I'm all in, I have a full house, stack off, etc) and let's take a critical look at the details of this hand.

1. He is a 33/8 'fish' according to Rosa.
2. He bets the flop, CHECKS THE TURN.
3. Three bets river after Rosa overraises and his raise size is an overbet as well.

So basically, on the river, Rosa check raises, which is always the nuts. This fish bets to say he has a flush and Rosa's reraise size on a four flush, paired board says I beat a flush. Now we get overraised by a fish who certainly isn't thinking "He can't call with tens full," but rather, "ZOMG!"

Also, people see 33/8 as a fish, which he is. But I see this as a passive fish. Mega fish are 50/40 or something. This guy just likes to see too many hands preflop. That doesn't mean that he stacks super light or anything like that. I mean, I know I say this all the time, but I think it fits this situation quite well. That is, I would never ever fold this hand while playing, but given a chance to step back and analyze the hand, it is more of a fold than a call, and never a shove vs this player. I'm not shoving unless the guy is a total monkey.

this hand is super confusing. I'd like to see results bbefore i post my input

fold