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11-10-2016 , 12:48 PM

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day'n'night

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^yeah i agree its terible

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11-10-2016 , 05:25 PM

#27

busticator

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Originally Posted by keybattle

That is really a bad call with hands block most of the missed draws.

You can mark this hand and value bet super thin against him

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That's not the correct adjustment, and if you take this route, opponent can easily and very profitably readjust.

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11-10-2016 , 05:46 PM

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keybattle

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Originally Posted by busticator

That's not the correct adjustment, and if you take this route, opponent can easily and very profitably readjust.

Live poker usually people don't have enough samples to quickly adjust rather than remembering the most major hand history

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11-10-2016 , 06:47 PM

#29

day'n'night

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Originally Posted by busticator

That's not the correct adjustment, and if you take this route, opponent can easily and very profitably readjust.

Then what is ?

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11-11-2016 , 09:15 AM

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Evoxgsr96

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Originally Posted by keybattle

That is really a bad call with hands block most of the missed draws.

You can mark this hand and value bet super thin against him

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Yeah it makes the EV of calling for him here that much worse but it's not like OP has a lot of value combos anyways, maybe 8x that's it?

If this was a SRP/spot where ranges are wider/weaker a hero-call with AQ is pretty good here

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11-11-2016 , 09:50 AM

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keybattle

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Originally Posted by Evoxgsr96

No. if he is hero calling with AQcc, he is probably calling all AQ, AK, that are way too many combos. His line definitely has some range of 89s, 9Ts to defend the river.

I'd rather see him hero calling with hands like AKdd.

Given the action, hero can comfortably thin value TT, JJ, QQ here.

V does not beat many bluffs here with holding of AQcc except exactly KJcc.

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11-12-2016 , 04:40 PM

#32

pilliapina

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Originally Posted by day'n'night

Flop ($1015): 9

. checks to V3 $500, Hero calls. both fold
(with V1 and V2 left to act obv no reason to raise here)

This coupled with the fact that you want to keep both the rec and the whale in the pot means that you can have AA-TT and also 22,33 and 99 here. Of course when you are bluffing exploitatively it matters what villain perceives you to have. If you are thinking in terms of balance then your actual range matters.

Flatting AA pre may easily be the best play I mean. I'm sure people will disagree but the value from big whales is generally worth it in my experience. Unless you think the whale likes to cold call 4bets pre :P

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11-18-2016 , 07:02 AM

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n_gambol_n_future

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I don't see much of a value range on the river unless you have some history with v.

All nutted hands by the river (99, 88, 33, 22) are likely not betting < 1/2 PSB even if v isn't repping much.

All med strength hands (JJ, TT, 9X, 77-44) are taking a free river.

Premium hands (AA, KK, QQ) have no real reason to check back turn.

I'm calling river expecting to lose sometimes to thin value, but not caring.

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11-18-2016 , 07:19 AM

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day'n'night

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Originally Posted by n_gambol_n_future

I don't see much of a value range on the river unless you have some history with v.

All nutted hands by the river (99, 88, 33, 22) are likely not betting < 1/2 PSB even if v isn't repping much.

All med strength hands (JJ, TT, 9X, 77-44) are taking a free river.

Premium hands (AA, KK, QQ) have no real reason to check back turn.

I'm calling river expecting to lose sometimes to thin value, but not caring.

Well obv thats my vlue range on the river... with which im prolly checking back turn and betting small river

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11-18-2016 , 07:42 AM

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n_gambol_n_future

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Originally Posted by day'n'night

Well obv thats my vlue range on the river... with which im prolly checking back turn and betting small river

Oh ok. Do you have a plan to defend small thin value bets against capable players with $3400 still in play? Or are you always folding to raises?

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11-18-2016 , 07:50 AM

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n_gambol_n_future

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To add, I think the better line is to bet ~$1000 on turn with plans to ship almost all rivers. Or if you check turn, to bet something more like $1250 to include nutted hands into your range.

I don't agree with raising flop, the pot is swollen and your stack size will make for some awkward bets on following streets. Plus, a good part of villains range might just GII with you OTF if he reads that your range has some semi bluffs in it. I'm assuming you don't want to GII with naked K high FD.

Last edited by n_gambol_n_future; 11-18-2016 at 07:56 AM.