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Are you 3b/f

Preflop I think its raise or flat pre, with my preference to raise. Folding pre is absurd this 140bb deep. Sizing is good.

Given the hand history that was discussed in the OP about the Q9 vs KT hand, I think it likely that V1 can have a made hand, but that V2 has either QJ exactly, or a meh 9 out or less draw.

Having said that I probably flat the flop 2b and see if we can dodge two bad cards and get more value. I expect to lead brick turns for like 1/3-1/2 pot and call any raise.

This is probably a high-variance line post flop, but I think its the most + EV line.

I don't think there are that many bad turn cards for us. Obviously, nine , 1 more 8, 3 more J, 3 more 7, and that's pretty much it. 16 bad cards out of 47 left. 2/3 of the deck is good for Hero.

And flatting the 2b is only another $70.

I just don't see why flatting is bad here.

What about 3Qs? What about 3As (AT in V's range) or even 3Ks (KT). Not all are as likely to be bad, but we can really like them either.

For this reason, I think if we are going to 3-bet flop, may as well shove unless we can make that 3-bet of half our stack and release the turn if a scare card hits.

I discount the aces because the only A that villain can have right now that we hate is A7, and maybe AJ. So really that's just 1 combo of AX that we dont like, so therefore an ace on the turn or river isn't bad.

Same goes for the Q and K, but even more likely that we don't have to worry about those cards since QT, KT, Q9 and K9 are unlikely since we block them. So I'm inclined to really like a Q or K because it means a villain likely picked up some outs for the river and will put more $$$ in the pot -- and thus we can feel pretty good about betting these cards on the turn.

not sure if serious...

Somewhat surprised at results but I guess the lag isn't as solid as we thought.

I think he didn't want to get stuck in a spot where he flats the 3b and then gets shoved on by V2, or where he 4b and V2 shoves over top. He would probably get it in with a SD/FD combo, but from his spot and the way the action went, his hand should look pretty weak when the FD is already out there.

Na his fold makes sense for sure I meant him raising with JTo in the first place if he was telling the truth.

I don't know, it might clean out V2 some of the time with a larger ten.

Not to get back into this, but preflop kind of interests me (maybe more than it really should). I am almost always isolating this limper with a raise, even with described player behind, but then I thought about how our image "LAG-ish and maybe a little tilted" really impacts the value of our post-flop semi-bluff folding equity and reconsidered a bit. To me, that's really the key in the pre-flop analysis.

That's a big burn to our winrate

lmaooooo at folding pre holy **** who is this guy

I've been playing for ten years or so but just recently joined this board. I love the level of analysis but it seems to me the leveling gets carried away sometimes, and also more often than not on this site I see people assuming that someone flopped a set or a straight or something dirty like that.

When I read the initial post, I immediately thought it was a spot to 3-bet. V1 and V2 have no idea what you have, and V1 moved to your left in order to be able to do things like take pots away from you, and he min raised, and V2 just called, which strikes me as a weak play.

With us having a 9 and a 10, the odds are greatly diminished that someone flopped a set of those, and if he has a set of 8, so be it, there are still outs. Same with a straight. V2 doesn't have a straight or else he wouldn't have flatted on flop, and if V1 flopped a straight then he likely goes all in over top and you have a decision whether to call the remaining $400 of your stack.

Like I said the great thing about this site is all the analysis but sometimes it seems to skew towards assuming other players have better cards than they actually have.

I like the 3-bet on the flop.