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08-07-2010 , 12:46 PM
stacks.

hero utg 3800
v1 utg+2 2000
v2 co 600
v3 btn 700

my image so far is lagish ive been cbetting alot, but have only shown down solid hands

v1 is lag asian guy whos been playing for about 24hrs and you can tell. hes been doing some weird things.

v2 tag. more tight pre than anything. seen him semi bluff some flush draws earlier.

v3 just shown up about half hour ago...seen him already do some dumb things...bad player.

action goes as follows i open for 30$ with 66 everyone calls.(ive had little respect on my raises so far)

flop comes 6s 7s jh

i lead out for 75. v1 pops it to 160. v2 thinks for about 5 secs...then jams all in for about 570 total. gets to v3 who says screw it im all in for about 670 total.

action on me. now my reads are that v1 was just raising my cbet maybe a set as well or tp..im really not sure...my plan was when it gets to me i reraise him and if he jams or reraises i fold...as he hasnt had any lines like that yet...which should make that pretty strong imo.

v2 might be frustrated with not many hands lately....might be jamming with tp or some flush draw maybe qq. maybe a set of jacks...but i doubt it.

v3 i think is def on a some draw maybe combo draw idk. hes bad.

these are my reads right or wrong..my reads all in night have been on so at this point im trusting it pretty much.

whats our action?

Last edited by rizasutton; 08-07-2010 at 01:05 PM.
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08-07-2010 , 12:53 PM
Do you have cards?
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08-07-2010 , 01:05 PM
LOL....sorry
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08-07-2010 , 03:02 PM
i shove, no way i'm ever folding a flopped set against 2 100 BB stacks.
and V1's thought process is probably blurred from the long session so he could easily put u on a big combodraw and call with AJ-ish type of hand thinking he is a favorite to win the sidepot atleast.
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08-07-2010 , 04:37 PM
You setmined, hit your set on not an extremely draw heavy board, and you're getting ridiculous equity, that even if someone hits a flush/straight, you could hit a FH. You're losing to two hands right now... I'd call.
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08-07-2010 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by evilbooyaa
You setmined, hit your set on not an extremely draw heavy board, and you're getting ridiculous equity, that even if someone hits a flush/straight, you could hit a FH. You're losing to two hands right now... I'd call.
dont think op's thinking of folding, most likely thinking about calling or shoving. I'd just shove, flatting looks super strong anyways and I don't think it would change anything.
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08-07-2010 , 05:09 PM
I'm pretty sure he is thinking of folding. I wouldn't fold 66, the nut flush draw and probably not 89ss
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08-07-2010 , 05:46 PM
Definitely not thinking of folding....
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08-07-2010 , 06:00 PM
If we just call and v1 flats as well what's our turn action?

If we flat he jams....?
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08-07-2010 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ziggyzaooo
dont think op's thinking of folding, most likely thinking about calling or shoving. I'd just shove, flatting looks super strong anyways and I don't think it would change anything.
Ah, didn't notice that v1 was still in the hand, I thought v2 and v3 were the only ones in the pot, and saw they had both shoved already.

Regardless, OP, are you really folding this ever? If you are (like on a 4s,10s or something) then shove, otherwise call and see if v1 comes along.... then shove on any turn/call v1's shove.

I think regardless of your line, the money is going all in (at least from your side) at some point.
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08-07-2010 , 09:02 PM
Andrew Song would tell you to muck it. "666? Nah... V1 can only have 777 or JJJ. Muck it and be happy about it."
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08-07-2010 , 09:49 PM
Ship. Flatting looks way too strong.
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08-08-2010 , 12:36 AM
sorry if u lost 400bb to V1, but there just is not enough evidence of 777 or JJJ
to make me fold the 666.

I have folded bottom set successfully a fair amt of time, but i cant see it here.

The players dont seem tight enough, the board contains too many 2pair, SD, FD, combo draw combos to think about folding it. We will look at higher sets some yea.

I prolly would call though and keep V1 in, in the event he has Jx and would call.
If not just shove.
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08-08-2010 , 06:23 AM
if v2 were in v3's position and this exact sequence happened, i might consider a fold. as played, i don't know what else you can do but jam.
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08-08-2010 , 10:27 AM
grunch: villain made this call im assuming (like he should have) and posted how he thought about folding it. then made this thread wondering if anyone else would ever have folded.
lets see if im right.
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08-08-2010 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pocketas227
grunch: villain made this call im assuming (like he should have) and posted how he thought about folding it. then made this thread wondering if anyone else would ever have folded.
lets see if im right.
Wrong Sherlock Holmes.

I called thinking he would come along....which he did. I jammed turn.

I didn't know if I should've just jammed flop.

V1 showed up with 77
V2 As js
V3 Ts 9s

Turn was the 8h

Donkey takes side pot

When the hand came up I never was turning back. But then I had some guy at the tablesaying I should've folded....thought I'd bring it to you guys for confirmation.

Thanks
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08-08-2010 , 02:54 PM
Who is the donkey? Who took the side pot? What was the river?

If the river was a 6, you can still scoop.

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Wrong Sherlock Holmes.

I called thinking he would come along....which he did. I jammed turn.

I didn't know if I should've just jammed flop.

V1 showed up with 77
V2 As js
V3 Ts 9s

Turn was the 8h

Donkey takes side pot

When the hand came up I never was turning back. But then I had some guy at the tablesaying I should've folded....thought I'd bring it to you guys for confirmation.

Thanks
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08-08-2010 , 03:14 PM
Donkey IMO was v3 who shoved 9s Ts hit his gutshot...and win the first side pot. V1 took the other with his set of 7s.

I'd make the call again except I'd probably shove instead.

The 6 never came.
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08-08-2010 , 06:03 PM
just ship it and take your cooler like a man. if you can't get it in with a set on that board, you should take your money off the table and play another game instead.
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08-08-2010 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by AnyMouse
just ship it and take your cooler like a man. if you can't get it in with a set on that board, you should take your money off the table and play another game instead.
great advice. probably sticky this.
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08-08-2010 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by AnyMouse
just ship it and take your cooler like a man. if you can't get it in with a set on that board, you should take your money off the table and play another game instead.
LOL best advice given...
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08-08-2010 , 08:16 PM
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LOL best advice given...
NO.

If you are playing 800 (!!) BB's deep, and in pots with other players who are almost as deep, and you raise UTG with 66 and can't fold bottom set, you have no business playing deep live poker.

Villian 1 is never getting in his whole stack with anything worse here. Please give him a range for either A. calling a re raise on the flop, or B calling your shove on the turn.

Then come back to this thread and tell me I'm wrong.

Putting villain one on a bluff or flush draw, with players left to act behind, this deep, is a very lazy way to make reads. On a draw heavy flop, with people left to act behind in a deep stack game, most people are NOT slow playing sets, and they're NOT raising and getting it in with FD's!

Last edited by WorldBoFree; 08-08-2010 at 08:25 PM.
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08-08-2010 , 08:40 PM
Ummm sounds like you didn't read my first post thoroughly. Please read again then come back and tell me I'm wrong. V1 never called a reraise....he reraised. It was very obvious two of those guys were on draws....I was exactly right on my read. V1 was the x factor...if you reread again you might understand why. If I'm wrong then explain why....after You get my post right.

Edit. V2 and v3 did get it in withdraws.
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08-08-2010 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by AnyMouse
just ship it and take your cooler like a man. if you can't get it in with a set on that board, you should take your money off the table and play another game instead.
since everybody is on this item at the moment, (and keep in mind that i shipped in this hand).......if villain was 1000bb deep, would you call off with 666?

At what point would you get off the cooler bit, and start thinking about the reverse price we get with 666 here?

Its a valid point.
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08-08-2010 , 09:08 PM
I think if v1 was to shove or call after the other two went all in I'd probably tank fold. But I don't think there was any apparent evidence he had a set.

I think I even posted that my original plan was to rereraise him when it came to me....and if he jammed I fold.

That didn't happen because of the obvious. But definitely a valid point.

But honestly how can I fold with no.evidence at all he has a set?
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