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Neb, one of the very specific reasons we donk small on alot of flops is bc fish is squeezed in between (assuming we flat and he calls pre as well)

When we donk super small, I'm talking like wtf small, his dead money also gets squeezed in (bc he always calls), then btn can either commit with an overpair or go nuts with AK or whatever.

It's just a neat little face up trick that works really well in specific spots in live poker.

If we flat and fish folds flop is an easy check.

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02-03-2017 , 05:50 PM

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JayKon

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Originally Posted by Avaritia

Flat, lead small on alot of flops

OK, Hero flats and V1 calls:

Pot $180, Hero $230, V1 $180 & V2 $940

Or,

Hero raises to $130, V1 folds, V2 calls:

Pot $270, Hero $160, V2 $870

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I like the min(ish) raise best to setup a flop shove.

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02-03-2017 , 06:36 PM

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gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by JayKon

I like the min(ish) raise best to setup a flop shove.

You just cold 4bet in ~100bb live poker. Against most casino regs, you're making it pretty easy for them to fold their QQ-. I was able to get away from my QQ the other day when I 3bet an LP raise only to have AA limp/reraise for just 66bb stacks; if he hadda flatted, there's a decent chance I go broke on 8 high boards.

Gclueless4betnoobG

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02-03-2017 , 07:42 PM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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If we raise, what are we doing to a 5!?

Last edited by johnny_on_the_spot; 02-03-2017 at 07:48 PM.

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02-03-2017 , 08:54 PM

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Chicagodude

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MUST CALL. Man, I hate folding KK. I don't think I could do it before the flop. I guess "I can't dodge bullets baby."

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02-03-2017 , 09:00 PM

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johnny_on_the_spot

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Originally Posted by Chicagodude

MUST CALL. Man, I hate folding KK. I don't think I could do it before the flop. I guess "I can't dodge bullets baby."

But that's kinda the point of calling preflop. We're not running into many hands other than AA when we get 5!. If we call, we're rarely folding, and many hands we can get AI against are going to be TP < KK

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02-04-2017 , 12:10 AM

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MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

I'm not flatting OOP, raise enough that he calls with the top of his range.

do you understand how this is turning our hand face up

Do you understand how many times Ive been called when I do this? They put me on AK the majority of the time.

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02-04-2017 , 08:49 AM

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Limpfoldjj

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Just call. We want to keep the whale in. The only thing shoving accomplishes is getting the money in pre if the villain has a hand like QQ and the flop comes down with an ace or king. His hands like AQ have fairly low equity against us and some decent reverse implied odds as well. I guess shoving also gets some hands like 9s to fold that could crack us but that's a risk worth taking.

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02-04-2017 , 07:19 PM

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NebDanger

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Thanks for the replies all.

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