OTF seems pretty RIO; V is unlikely to have sufficient 2nd best at the end to pay off a big bet. If a jack peels, you may get stuck in against the nuts. I would just pop it to $100, intending to pot OTT any blank.

All the time? Hes made some pot-size bet but like I said, sample with him is limited.

It depends if V1 and V2 are 100% calling 50 but only 20% calling 100, smallsize is the value line no?

I like just calling the 3bet pf given we are so deep and OOP. Kind of weird sizing. Looks like a light 3bet from a LAG.

Since he is a LAG I like letting him keep the betting lead. He probably c bets his entire range. If behind we have 6 outs that are mostly clean. Bet/fold on the flop gives up this equity and gives him too much info. And a non zero percent of the time we get bluff raised by a pair+OESD type hands.

I don't really like c/r the flop because if called we probably have to check and fold mostly on the turn thereby giving up the equity of improving on the river. Also, occasionally we get outplayed and fold the best hand. This line gives a LAG information that allows him to fold when he has little equity. Also we keep him from spewing with the air in his range.

So I like the check.

His 1/2PSB is a typical LAG c bet. But given stacks and the draw heavy nature of the board I think he very likely would bet more with big overpairs. Seems like this would be a good board to value bet hard. IDK.

I think calling is best (though uncomfortable). And the turn is probably not going to be any easier.

Flop is an easy call. The other options just seem ridiculous.

Hero calls. Even if this flop hits V's range pretty good, I still think im ahead and can possibly improve on later streets if not.

Turn - 100$
Td9s7cTs

So board pairs puts and puts a spade draw. On one hand it's less likely he has a Tx type of hand, on the other if he has hes got us beat lol.

Hero checks, V bets 35$ makes the blank stare at the table.

hero?

Snap it. Looks like a blocker bet. He could just be trying to set his price for BDFD.

How would anyone feel about a raise to like $95ish here. Could define V's hand a little better, and we're probably still ahead. I don't know if I would do it or not, but I would like to hear opinions on that too.

It feels like hes giving himself a cheap price to draw amirite?

This turn action is really villain dependent! He has only bet 1/3 pot with stacks really deep in a three bet pot. If you raise you are almost turning your hand into a bluff. But the pot is big enough to try to win it now. I think you are still far enough ahead of his range to pull the trigger. If called you probably still have 6 outs. I would make it $175 / probably fold.

If called, I check and fold most rivers that don't improve me.

The other option is to just call and check / call most rivers. I take this bluff catching line a lot and find that a lot of villains aren't emptying the clip and are just setting a good price on the turn to try to get folds and empty the clip only if they improve. To a good lag your hand is pretty face up if you check /call the turn.

Being OOP deep to a good lag sucks!

Semigrunch.

Raise pre 12-15.

Call flop.

C/r turn. If he calls, I c/c river to avoid a big raise. If he raises I'm crying while tossing my hand in the muck.

Against a LAG on my left, and deep, I like check-calling. He's firing most of the way, and who knows what he really had when you filled up.

Calling the turn, planing to check-call most river bets.


+1 to seat change or racking up.

Turn - 100$
Td9s7cTs

Hero checks, V bets 35$ makes the blank stare at the table.

Hero calls. Def tempted to raise here but it's basically turning our hand in a bluff. If he picks up on that im screwed.

River - 170$
Td9s7cTs6h

8 ball makes the str8, get rekt.

Hero checks, V bets 60$... wtf so low again. I think if he truly had the 8 he would bet more, not pot-size but at least 1/2 to 2/3 pot size.

Hero?

Turn c/c is good.

Options on river are c/c or c/r as a bluff.

I like c/r bluffing because I think he folds SO OFTEN.

I do not like calling and losing the times he does have QQ+, Tx.

I'd c/r to $200.

$200 is very strong psychologically, but it's actually a small raise. A pot sized raise is $350. A raise to $200 looks very strong, but you only need him to fold around 45% of the time. I think he definitely does. He'll obviously fold hands you already beat, so w/e. I think he'll fold QQ+, which is a good 18 combos. I think he can even fold Tx if he has it. Since I agree I don't expect 8x or a boat, I think he can fold well over 50% of the time.

I think c/r bluffing is far better than c/c. And while I said c/c is an option, even though we're getting > 4:1, I'm not actually sure we really have the odds to call. It's very clear to me that we have the worst hand but are facing a relatively weak hand for the board.

I probably even say your options are c/r or fold... c/c is probably just giving money away.

I'm still calling that bet. If he has an strght, boat, or set, then good for him. You pretty much lost the minimum. Take note of his line and own him next time.

How is c/c with a hand that does have showdown value against a LAG giving money away and bluff raising any better?

How is V folding 10x from his 3 bet range?

This looks like a way ahead/way behind to me. V is giving you the chance to get off about as cheap as possible given the board and action.(if we are way behind, we are basically losing the minimum)

I'm not super excited about calling. I'm definitely not folding this deep, but I don't think bluff raising is the way to go. I think there's enough combos in his range that do beat us that raising is the way we give away money here.

Yeah, sigh-call. Not enough has changed. LAG range still wide, we've preflop raised a fish as our only aggressive action. Check-called the whole way. i think V is super wide, but I don't know if we get called by worse when raising.

I like willyomans plan in theory, just think it will be funny when V calls with his KK because 1/2 players cant fold premium hands. So I would have to be there to decide whether I would pull the trigger or not.

+1

C/c turn after board pairs is fine. I'd call the tiny river bet. Wilyoman's plan is fine - if you had a solid read on what this villain's tiny bets mean and how he responds to getting raised when he has an over pair.

In my game people make tiny suck bets as often as tiny blocking bets. They also don't fold big over pairs easily. For me personally my tendency to lead out on the turn with a wide range from bluffs to the nuts also kind of stops me x/r the river very believably.

Make the call, lose to QQ+, rack up and go get some sleep

Sorry, just noticed this. Why didn't u gai pre? Only correct way to play jax

Yeah... I thought about raising on river but I didn't pull the trigger. I ended up folding... because calling and losing to QQ+ sucks.

He showed me a Js. I said ****, to which he retorted "What did you have?" i said jacks, he said "no wayyyyy".

He also ended up being an aggro fish and cold-called my 4bet with AA and I took all his $$$. First impressions can be treacherous.