hi greg,

i play poker on a laptop that is connected to two monitors. sometimes i unplug the monitors to take the laptop into another room. when i do this, sometimes my SaT layouts get all messed up, e.g. the slots that were once fitted to my monitor move off the screen when I visualize the grid. so i usually just make a new layout after reattaching monitors to the laptop. any ideas?

yeah SaT will be using the coordinates that were relative to your external monitors. once you unplug those, then they will likely be off screen.

what i would do is just set up two different layouts, one for laptop and one for external monitors. that way you can quickly just switch between the two with File -> Open Layout depending on which you want to use

Greg,

Great job! I am not even sure I will use this for stacking and tiling (I am old school tile guy, old habits!) but so far its the only program I have found that works well with hotkeys for Ipoker. Other AHK scripts for Ipoker only seem to work with certain functions. You should consider selling a seperete hotkey program, imo.

Anyway I am going to give the SaT feature a trial and see how I like it. I have one question right now. Under "Advanced Options" I see "include holecard detection" what is this?

Also, here is a scenario that I envision coming up. I like to label hands for review. How can I set the program up to give myself enough time to mark a hand before the table stacks?

thanks man, i appreciate the feedback.

SaT was never designed to be a hotkey program, but rather just for table management. slowly over time i added more hotkeys. usually what most people request is Bet%Pot functionality, but it is very unlikely that i ever add that, because it is a nightmare to maintain across multiple sites.

that is part of the End Of Hand detection. if SaT sees that the flop cards are gone, or your hole cards are gone, then it can return the table from the grid back to the stack automatically. if you are only using Tiling then its probably not useful for you
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/advanced-options

this feature seems to work ok, but some people report some random bugs. it requires that you use preferred seating.

in my opinion, the feature is not very useful, yet people kept requesting it. the reason i dont think it is useful, is because once a hand is over, a new hand will be starting within seconds, and you will have another decision to make to act on the table. so you would only free up a grid slot for a few seconds before you would normally have to act on the table again anyway.

table will never move back from the grid to the stack automatically (unless using the End Of Hand detection mentioned above). however, if you click Fold with mouse, or use a Stack hotkey (such as Fold+Stack), then the table will re-stack.

there is not a smooth way to handle that. you could set up a hotkey to simply "Fold" instead of "Fold+Stack" for these specific situations, but its a little bit inconvenient, since "Fold+Stack" is usually recommended.

alternatively, you can turn off "Left mouse click detection", which would stop SaT from recognizing any mouse clicks. in that case, if you clicked Fold with mouse, nothing would happen, and then you could mark the hand for review

so if i want my grid tables to NEVER come back to stack UNLESS i stack them with hotkey on purpose on Stack + Tile mode, i must untick "left click detection" thing

am i right?

also you will need to turn off "Stack tables at End Of Hand", but that is off by default

"left click detection" will check for mouse clicks on the Fold button

i think those are the only two cases

Hey greg

I just bought stack and tile and I have to say i'm really satisfied about it. It just gives so much more time to think about a hand and make fewer mistakes. Both Bwin & Ipoker are working fine, only unibet is giving me a little problem. By the 2 other sites, when I fold my hand it returns immediately to the grid. But with unibet, it doesn't. Table stays on one of my slots until the whole hand is over. How could I fix this?

I do remember that I may have created the unibet file with a smaller table size than the one i'm using now. Could that be some kind of problem?

edit: this is my ini file, maybe you could spot the leak in here

i assume you mean, when you fold your hand on the other 2 sites, the table returns to the stack (not grid)

you problem could be for 2 reasons

1. you are clicking Fold but SaT doesn't know that you clicked Fold. this would mean that your region coordinates from the setup are off. you can test if this is the case by using "Fold+Stack" hotkey and see if the table correctly returns to the stack.

2. SAT does correctly detect the Fold click, but instantly moves the table back into the grid. in this case, SaT thinks that the table still requires action. to test this, you can turn on the Notification for Action Required (it is on by default) and see if you get a SaT popup in the lower right corner of your screen when you try to fold. that means that SaT did send the table back to the stack, and then immediately moved it back into the grid.

i believe this is a known issue with Microgaming skins, because the pre-action fold checkbox is the same color as the actual Fold button itself. So SaT sees the same color and thinks that action is required. however, after folding, there should be no other checkboxes visible. do the table graphics show the same color in the fold button location, even after you've folded?

let me know what those tests produce

hey thx for your fast answer. Yeah, thats obviously what I meant.

So did a few tests

1) When i'm using the fold+stack hotkey, it correctly returns to the stack.
2) not getting a pop up when the tables stays at its place.

the fold button is a green box with white text on it. When I fold, the background is grey.

ok, given that, then its likely that your rectangle region is off and SaT is just not detecting your fold clicks. you can try clicking on different areas of the button and see, maybe upper part of button will work, maybe lower, etc

two solutions
1. obvioulsy you could go through the custom site wizard again, and be more precise with the rectangle region when it asks you to click and drag around the button
2. you could take a screenshot of the default sized table with all the buttons visible, and then hand-edit the current unibet file

if you need help with #2 just post the screenshot and ill tell you what to edit

So here is the screen.

[x] paintpro itt

sorry mate, that one was pretty useless since it was all in appearantly. this one is the std one

are you sure thats the default size table? originally your config showed standard_table_width=802
standard_table_height=628

but the image you posted is 764x600

before, you said you created the unibet settings with a SMALLER table than you currently use?

maybe you should try going through the wizard again, and using the exact table size that you use in SaT

v 2.2.0.5

- fixed: iPoker bet hotkey was broken, now uses basic click again
- fixed: WinningPoker always updating was breaking SaT.. hopefully this is fixed now!
- fixed: PartyPoker settings now support bwin.be Belgium
- fixed: FullTilt waitlist popup and Rush lobby was falsely detected as a Bodog table (bug)
- fixed: PokerStarsNova tournament problems and Nova Gray theme problems
- added: timer on table count popup (request)
- added: advanced option to still allow action hotkeys on Ignored Tables (request)
- added: advanced option to Activate table under mouse (request)

http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/

hope i didn't break anything :x

hey greg, thx for the update.

I think I might have located the problem? After I fold my hand on unibet, the hole cards are still visible during the whole hand. Maybe if there is a possibility to remove that, it could work fine i guess.

edit: no doesn't work either. It just stays in the grid

if the fold+stack key works, then my guess its a problem with the rectangle button region. SaT must be missing some clicks. you can test it out by trying to click on different areas of the fold button and see which works and which doesn't.

it could be that you did create the rectangle region correct, but now that you say you are playing a bigger table size, perhaps Microgaming doesn't scale its table proportionally and therefore SaT is skewing the regions

i would try going through the wizard again but using the same size table as you use within SaT

I did, and so created a new .ini file with the wizard, and new layout only for testing unibet but no luck unfortunately. I think SaT just doesn't recognize my folds.

edit: think I am gonna make a grid where I put all my unibet tables and not worry too much.

man, sorry to hear it. you could always just get used to using the "Fold+stack" hotkey

This seems like a good feature but it doesn't seem to work for all sites. Seemed to work fine with ftp but not really with others. It seems like it's clicking the wrong place. As an example, on ipoker when i click my fold+stack hotkey (which i assume would just mean fold at an ignored table) it clicks that little button to change the size of the chat box. My tables are the same size when ignored as they are in my layout.

I also noticed the option "hotkeys fire on release (key up)" which seems like a wonderful option that would save me a bunch of misclicks, but doesn't seem to work for me either. I have my "raise" and "fold+stack" keys as the extra buttons on my mouse and I'm not sure if these buttons just don't register key up and key down or if it's something else. I have some other hotkeys on my keyboard and if I hold those buttons in for a few seconds, it doesn't register the hotkeys until i release the button, but it uses the hotkey a bunch of times depending on how long i hold the button.

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks

hrmm, does fold+stack hotkey work when the table is not ignored?

this option was actually in the software for a long time, but i decided to actually put a checkbox for it when i was adding the other feature. it is definitely possible that the special mouse keys will not work for this feature.

as for multiple hotkeys getting triggered, i will have to look into that problem. what hotkey actions are you using to determine that?

I've been having this problem with Stars hyper simple tables using the stack and tile mode. The notification popup says "Action Required" when the tables pop up before its my turn to act. My theme is not modded.

Thanks in advance.

you will need to mod the theme or use a different one. the pre-action fold checkbox is the same color as the Fold button on Hyper Simple
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/pokerstars

Yes, works great otherwise


It was doing this with the "keep on grid" hotkey. It's like when you're typing something and you hold a letter down in the keyboard and it types the letter a bunch of times. It's not really a problem for me but I was hoping it might be related to the mouse hotkeys not working on release. To be clear, those are working, but they go through immediately when I push the button.

i think i see some bugs in the new code for Allowing hotkeys on Ignored Tables, will attempt to fix for next version, let me know how it goes once released

I am using End of Hand detection but there are times a table will get sent back to the stack while the hand is still in progress. I think this usually happens when I push All-in in early position with people behind me yet to act. Not a huge issue but an annoyance since the feature doesn't work as intended for me 100% of the time. The poker client is Carbon.