i also posted in the FTP Re-Launch thread in the Internet Poker forum

everyone should email FTP so maybe theyll feel motivated to fix it

steps to reproduce:

i tested the software with multiple sites and many mtt's.

the software rocks gj

my opinion though is that it lacks a feature for timed out tables. for example if u have a table stacked from 888, when u change tables in an mtt a message window pops up. if u miss this cause of the stacking ie other tables in front and u dont press the pop up then the table timeouts and u never see this until u are out of the tournament.

this only happens with 888 tables. maybe u can put an autoclick in your program for this message?

also, after breaks sat rediscovered most of the tables like "old tables" and put them in the grid why?

keep up the good work

thanks

well heres the thing.. there is a feature for timed out tables.. this is what the Old Tables is supposed to take care of.

if a table doesn't require action in 5 minutes, then it moves to grid (or wherever you have Old Tables Slot defined). so, for example, if you are sitting out on a table, then after 5 minutes, that table should move to grid, where you can sit back in. usually in 5 minutes you will have only missed one or two hands, and if you think its too long, you can shorten the time.

take for example a really really slow table with everyone acting slow. actually you could use the stall tactics on the bubble of MTTs. suppose you are UTG and fold your hand. SaT saves this time and starts counting down 5 minutes. if the next 5 players all take 1 minute to fold their hands, then SaT will see that its been past 5 minutes and you haven't had to act in that time, and move the table to the grid. and it is still the same hand ! the same feature can be used if you are in a cash game and the table breaks and everyone leaves. that table would get lost in the stack but once SaT sees that you haven't had to act within 5 minutes, then it will pop out for you to deal with.

as you can conclude, thats whats happening during your MTT breaks

i'm not familiar with the 888 popup when you get moved to a new table in a tournament. but, i would think that the 888 table should get detected as Old after 5 minutes, and then it should pop out into grid where you could see that you are sitting out. does this not happen? can you take a screenshot of the table and the popup?

you can read more about Old Tables here:
http://www.stackandtile.com/sat/help/table-types

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what do you think about the Old Tables feature?

first of all your software can handle 20 tables of FTP,Bwin,Ongame,888 -> grats

im a heavy multitabler and i used to tile in 2 screens.
now i use sat and i tried to play many tables in one screen. i ended up timing out a bit with sat but i think i can use it efficiently.

main thing is that old tables feature is ok for cash but 5 or 3 mins in mtt's is detrimental. i think the coolest feature would be to map the "deal me in" button for every site and when it appears then tables blinks/goes to grid and maybe a sound rings or something

im not sure hoe the timeout happens. if table is put on the grid and i dont click, it shouldn't go back to the stack. but all timeout tables are in the stack for me.

maybe when all slots are taken, some tables remain in the stack, and if u dont click them or another table pops up then they get buried.

if u have any idea of how to handle this do tell!

cool. yeah thats the idea. i'm working on a basic tiling mode across multi-sites that should be available soon. i realized that i have this combination of stacking and tiling but no options for either one of those individually

you should be able to increase for MTTs if you think its too short

yeah looking for the "deal me in" button is the solution, but its a big pain to do. it would add more complexity to the setup for the user as well. and i really try to keep the setup as easy as possible but ppl still say its too difficult

yeah if you dont touch a table in grid, it should stay in grid.

so i dont know why Old Tables would be staying in the stack. unless for some reason the popup is blocking SATs access to the table. but i would think that Old Tables feature should take care of it.

if you are using Tile Setting = Action Required, what happens is, SaT will attempt to move the table to the grid when its your turn to act. if the grid is full, then SaT will pop the table to the top of the stack so that you can see it. if a grid slot frees up while your action is still required, then the table will move to the available slot.

honestly the Old Tables feature should handle this case. this is specifically what it was designed for. you can easily test it by putting one table in the stack, waiting for your turn to act, taking your action, and then sitting out. after the 5 minutes (or whatever duration you set), the table should pop out into grid.

we need to figure out what this popup is doing, and why its not working..

i will test tomorrow again with more tables

i think if u have many tables and slot if full and 2 tables in the stack need action , then one of the tables doesn't ever gets out to the grid. maybe it would be better to be sent to the grid no matter if slots are full or not so it stays there visible?

To update my previous posts, I'm now having to re-add partypoker almost every session, Titan poker tables tend to randomly stop working 4-8 hours after I start, sometimes due to not detecting table requiring action, sometimes not detecting tables at all.

I set up a microgaming profile that works fine when used with other microgaming tables, however when other sites are added, they will all steal focus from the microgaming table. Not a problem if I just use the 'keep table out of stack' function, but I would prefer not to have to do this.

Using the full(not small stakes) version.

true poker/acr recently changed the way their timebank works, so you actually have to click the timebank. Any chance of seeing an auto time bank feature in SAT?

for ftp also?

you got PM

i have thought about adding a timebank clicker to SaT or to create a standalone product for it.

make sure you've used your correct email on the SaT download page so that if i send out an update youll get it. i havent sent out any emails but i am hoping to start soon. so much to do though

Ok played second full session this day results:

I found the way the timed out table is moved to stack. Its because I use the feature for folding after my cards disapear, so if i timeout on the grid the table gets moved to the stack.
Playing >12 tables without the feature for flop and own cards tracking is much slower and results frequently in all slots occupied.
I will try to cycle through all the stacked tables with the btn "move to bottom" i hope it has this functionality. Otherwise the only way for timed out tables is to periodically cycle through stacked tables.
I want to report a weird behaviour that I think happens. slot 1 is the stack, slot 2,3 have tables and a new table is put in slot 4. if in the meantime slot 3 moves back to the stack, slot 4 moves to slot 3 (and you chase your table ) not a big problem.

Also is it my idea or if a table is minimised then it cannot be moved to the grid?

Also I would like the very usefull "tile all tables" button to work with the program being stopped otherwise u must rush stop the prog after u tile them

gj again and expect me to buy this from jan

right, ok. when you time out on a table in the grid, the "stack table at end of hand" feature kicks in because your cards disappear, and the table moves to the stack.

THEN, after 5 minutes of no action being required, the timed out table should pop back into the grid.

can you test that with one table? and turn on all the Notifications so you can see whats happening

yes, "send table to bottom" will allow you to cycle through the stack

if New Tables = grid, then no this shouldn't happen

right.
if a table is minimized, SaT effectively cannot find it or scan it for action detection unfortunately.

why do you need to rush? because tables still move back to the stack?

you can always use "Keep All Tables in Grid" which should stop that
or you can use the hotkey to "Start/Stop SAT"

i dont really like to have hotkeys enabled if the program isnt running

thanks. and thanks for your feedback. hopefully we can get this Old Tables thing sorted out in a satisfactory manner for you

well there is no way other than checking for the deal me in button tbh when u play mtt's cause 3-4 mins is a very long folding time if u have a 15bbstack, but as I work as a programmer myself , I wouldn't code this for just one user

ok

i tested myself, just opened up one table. here's what happens.

remember first that you must allow SaT to detect your first action, so that it can start the 5 minute timer.

1. table in stack requires action and pops into grid
2. table in grid times out
3. hole cards disappear, SaT detects End of Hand, table moves back to stack
4. after 5 minutes, SaT detects Old Table, table moves to grid
5. table is sitting out in the grid
6. when flop disappears, SaT detects End of Hand, table moves back to stack

#6 is surely a problem. that MIGHT be what is happening to you. the Old Table did pop into grid, where you could have seen it to sit back in. however, SaT detects the end of hand and moves it back to the stack. this probably will keep happening endlessly unless you happen to catch the table in the grid

you can shorten it to 1 minute if you want. you would just have to deal with tables being sent to grid more frequently and you would need to restack them

or just "keep table in grid" when you are short stacked.

see here for now
http://www.stackandtile.com/forum/sh...ad.php?tid=369

two things:
1. 2.1.2 worked fine but for some reason, 213 and 214 both caused some ipoker windows to keep repeatedly switching between multiple windows for no reason. it was so fast, I had to disable SaT to be able to click any of the actions buttions. This may have happened once every few hours, but once it happened, it kept occurring immediately even if i restarted the program.
2. if I play regular and speed ipoker tables, the button locations are not really the same. do i need to use the "max" chat box mode to approximate the location of where the speed buttons are? if yes, the main issue is that whenever an ipoker speed table is opened, the regular tables afterwards are opened with medium sized chat boxes and i have to readjust the tables manually to have max chat boxes. otherwise on the regular tables, the button locations are different.

2.1.3 was a minor update, however in 2.1.4 a new "Activate table requiring action" feature was added in Adv Options. if you only play with mouse when tables pop into grid, and dont want SaT to set focus on the most urgent table requiring action, you can turn that off and see if that fixes it.

its always hard to debug stuff that just happens randomly after hours of play

i havent looked into the iPoker speed tables. are they like Rush/Zoom poker or something?

the built-in iPoker settings only work with the max visible chatbox. do the speed tables not allow the max chatbox? can you post screenshots of a normal table buttons and speed table buttons?

yes - like zoom. what happens is when you open a speed table, any future table you open ends up having a minimized chat box (because the speed table has a minimized chat box). so if you open a regular table and forget to resize, you end up clicking the "call" button instead of "fold"

hrm right ok.

if the chatbox is minimized on both the speed and normal tables, do the buttons then line up? i wasn't clear on what you were saying

i'll have to look at this when i get time. perhaps i will have to change the built in iPoker settings to use minimized chat

i dont see any Play Money speed tables

can you take screenshots of the actual table at the default size, with all buttons visible?

hrm, looking at this screenshot:
http://www.titanpoker.com/speed-poker.html

it looks like with the chatbox minimized, the buttons are on the right side of the table, which is the same as if the chatbox was fully open in a normal table

but when the chatbox is minimized on a normal table, the action buttons are moved to the center of the table

so changing the ipoker settings to work only on the minimzed chatbox doesnt look like a solution...

ok it truly is ******ed.

i cant just change the iPoker config to use the half size chat box, because on the normal tables, when you use halfchat, the action buttons move over toward the center a little. but on the speed tables they dont

so i dont know what to tell you. you need to find a way to ensure that the chatbox is fully visible on normal tables.

you should definitely complain to ipoker support for changing the chatbox size when opening normal tables. you should also complain and tell them not to move the buttons on normal tables when the chatbox is minimized or closed

actually, i thought of a solution

you can run through the custom site wizard in SaT twice and make two separate ipoker configs. for Speed tables, you want to use:
table_include_title_text=Speed

and then on the other config for normal tables, you would use:
table_exclude_title_text=Speed

for the normal tables config, you would will use the halfchat size. then you will need to ensure that all your normal tables use that half chatbox

and i guess you'll want to use the 'bet' button for action required detection, since the fold button is a different color than the normal buttons on the Speed tables

correction:
youll still want to use the 'fold' button for action required detection, because i believe that on ipoker, the 'bet' button disappears when someone shoves on you