Hey I've been having trouble importing hands. If I import hands from my pokerstars files, it works because every line ends in carriage return and line feed. But online, most hand histories are posted with just the line feed (like the deuces cracked converter, or twoplus two converter.) When you paste, it, it just becomes one long line and the program can't read it. Also pt3/pt4 support would be pretty sweet sometime. Thanks

I'm not sure if the line feed matters; I don't think I'm looking for that when reading the hand histories. It can easily be something else that's causing the refusal to load.

Anyhow, I'll be working on PT4 soon enough.

in the new beta, can you still make a note within a file? I dont see it anywhere

Press Alt+N.
I'll add a hint for later versions.

Hello,
1. I am looking for a software to calculate chipEV for calling 3bet Shove in a tourney?
ex. I open raise and a player 3bet shove 20x BB and I know his 3bet shove range.
can I put those info into a software and calculate what is my calling range to be +EV?

2. I am also looking for a way to calculate chipEV for 4-bet shove in a tourney.
ex. 30x BB effective stack: I open raise 2x, player #2 3bet to 6x and I want to know what range I can 4bet shove if I know his calling 4bet shove range. Can that be calculate?

Can your software calculate ChipEV for calling 3bet shove & 4Bet shove?
If it can, can you send me a demo file?

Thank you

Yes, you just need to set up the relevant tree and then call the shove with "all hands". Then compute with F7 and mouse over "all hands".


A popup will show how each starting hand performs. The +EV hands will be green, the -EV ones will be red.


Yes, same thing as above, only the tree is now a 4bet one. Just shove with "all hands", compute, mouse over "all hands" and see which hands are +EV.

I believe you already e-mailed me yesterday with these questions and I sent you a demo file. I've just resent the e-mails from two alternate adresses, just in case you didn't receive my previous reply.

I wanted to try flopzilla.
instaled trial version. set flopzilla.exe, flopzilla_C, flopzilla_T to run as admin.
first little window "this window will close in 5seconds" appears, then "you have 7days on your trial" window and then flopzilla window opens for 3 seconds and it closes.
tried to reinstal and still nothing...Im sure it was discused here before but thread is sooo long
thank you

Please try uninstalling and reïnstalling to a different directory.
That usually solves all issues.

I already tired this several times. and tried to run program in all comatibilty modes, but still nothing...btw I have windows 7, 32bit

The only thing it could be after that would be your virus scanner I think.

Tried the Beta today.

I love how you can now make categories in the "Postflop condition menu". I would however like to suggest two improvements:

1: Let me add all the conditions of one category by dbl clicking the category name (as it is now I have to dbl click each individual condition).

2: If I add a whole category, make that category name appear in the tree as the condition (with a +/- hide button next to it so that it looks exactly like it does in the "Predefs:" window). This way you can group up many different conditions and give them one name thus improving readability of the whole tree.

For example you could make a category "Nut Type Hands" and have it include:
Nut flushes on unpaired boards.
Two card straights on unpaired, non flush boards.
Sets on non flush, non straight boards.

Then the condition in the tree would say:
Nut Type Hands

Instead of:
>=nut flush(>=1)
straight(2)+Board:[0p]+[rnbw,2fl,2x2fl]
>=set+Board:[rnbw,2fl,2x2fl]+[uncoordinated]

Im sure my example is incorrect in many ways but you get the point.

I definitely like that one as I have certain conditions that I always assign a fish, lag or tag so It would be nice to just add "LAG"

That said, Im not so sure Id want just the category name to appear in the list as sometimes I remove a "standard" action when looking at a particular board type.

Is there a way to export individual hand analysis to a format such as PDF or CSV?

I should be able to manage that.

For that you can use the multi-condition menu.
To get to that menu, mouse over "edit condition(s)" and right-click.
Here you can store/load multiple conditions as one condition.

If you're referring to the starting hand matrix with the EVs in them, press Alt+O for text output.

that was it. thank you very much

Yo Scylla, where can I find out whats new in Flopzilla? change log anywhere?

- Instead of a limit/nolimit switch for the ranges there's now a dropdown with a number of standard ranges; the ranges can be editted manually.
- Hidden below the "random" button for the board there's now also a random button for the turn and river.
- Bunch of smallish improvements and technical thingies

is this better or pro poker tools? what are the big differences

CardRunnersEV and Pro Poker Tools have very little to do with one another, making it very hard to compare them.

CardRunnersEV lets you enter a decision tree, after which it calculates the EV of every decision within that tree. It also allows you to focus in on individual actions, conditions, and even individual starting hands. If you're into tournaments, it's also capable of performing the necessary ICM conversions. Other than that, it can give you the equity at every point in the tree, chance of having the best hand, range distribution (top pair, middle pair, etc). And much much more. It's designed to be as flexible as possible, allowing you to do your own private research into just about anything.

For Pro Poker Tools, I think you'd best go to their website. But in short, it's a completely different piece of software. I can't compare apples and oranges.

I dont know how to pay it as I dont have moneybookers or nothing like that . only neteller.

isnt there like an account on stars or maybe neteller wich I can send it to

or how do I buy it with the neteller credit card

Unfortunately Stars does not allow p2p transfers for non-gaming purposes.
And I can't accept neteller because that is a personal account.

You cán however purchase with the neteller credit card, which, in the end, is simply a credit card. For that, use the "credit card/ideal/bankwire/other" link under the payment options on the register page.

Great, I didnt know about this. Ill try it out.

Another problem I am having though is that on a KQJT board, for example, I can not find a way to make the program differentiate between a straight were you hold the A and a straight were you hold the 9. Both cases are grouped together as "1 card straights". This is a pretty big deal because you probably want to take completely different actions depending on whether you have the A or the 9.

So, in the blue Postflop conditions menu, I think there should be an option to choose between Nut Straight, 2nd Straight and 3rd Straight. IMHO this choice should be located in the right most column, below the choice of number of hole cards.
I also think that the choice between Nut flush, 2nd flush and so on should be moved to that location.

I have done some semi exhaustive research to ensure that there can never be more than 3 tiers of straights.

Examples of the different straights tiers:
Nut straight, KQ on JT9, Q9 on JT865, any A on KQJT, KQ on JT987
2nd Straight, Q8 on JT9, 97 on JT865, any 9 on KQJT, any Q on JT987, T7 on Q9865
3rd Straight, 87 on JT9, 74 on JT865, any 7 on Q9865

You need to be able to choose both the tier and the number of hole cards in order to define how good your straight really is. One or the other is not enough.

More examples (with number of hole cards):
2 card nut, KQ on JT9, KJ on AQT, KJ on QT9, Q9 on JT865
1 card nut, A on KQJT, J on AKQT
2 card 2nd, Q8 on JT9, 97 on JT865
1 card 2nd, Q on JT98, J on QT98
2 card 3rd, 87 on JT9, 64 on J875
1 card 3rd, 7 on JT98, 8 on JT976
0 card nut, AKQJT
0 card 2nd, KQJT9 (any A is the nut straight)
0 card 3rd, QJT98 (AK is the nut and any K is the 2nd straight)

This looks really messy but it really isnt. You just first choose the number of holecards and then the tier of the straight. Exactly as you do with flushes.

Do you think something like this could be added?

You could just say that the player's holecards are Ax (use the text input in the holecards section). It's usually possible to define what you want with some creativity.

I like the idea of moving such subsets into separate columns (with the exception of top pair, middle pair, overpair and pocket>2nd pair).

Let's give this a bit more thought first.

Wouldn't it make more sense to create 3 types of straights:
- strong and "hidden"
- strong and obvious
- weak


So, some examples:

Board: T987
QJ is strong and hidden, Jx is strong+obvious, 6 is weak

Board: ATJ23
KQ and 45 are both strong+hidden straights

Board: T986
QJ is strong and hidden, J7 is strong and hidden, 7x is weak


So, strong and hidden straights are two card straights that are not beaten by some one card straight.

Strong and obvious straights are one card straights that are not beaten by any other 1 card straight.

Weak straights are straights that are beaten by a one card straight.


Please feel free to poke holes in the above .
I can imagine I missed some category.

Absolutely.

I think that the name "hidden" could be misleading here because straights on this board are not really hidden.

With your system both of these straights have the properties [Strong, Hidden, 2 card straights] so it would be impossible to make a condition in the tree that, for example, calls an all in with the nut straight (KQ) and folds to an all in with 54. This was my initial problem with the current version of the program.

In the system i propsed, on this board, KQ would be the Nut straight and 45 the 2nd straight (there would be no 3rd straight on this board). So now I could make a condition that calls an all in with the nut straight and folds with 54 because in this system these two cases are not grouped together.
And if I want to make a descision also based on how hidden the straight is I would use the "number of hole cards used" option.

Again, I would not be able to tell QJ and J7 apart becasue they are both strong and hidden type of straights.
In the other system J7 would be a "Nut straight", J7 would be a "2nd straight" and 7x a "3rd straight".
Also, QJ and J7 would obviously be "2 cards used" straights and 7x would be a "1 card used" straight. So if I want to filter for that ill just click those options.


I dont think this system solves the real problem of telling different strength of straights apart. Also I think the other system might be more intuitive because it is very similar to the system used for flushes.

I wrote these responses somewhat hastily because I have people coming over and have to clean the house. Im sorry if everything isnt clear enough. I gave the whole system alot of thought the past few days though so it should be somewhat sound. That said, discussion is always good. Im sure we both want the result to be as good as possible.