Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? GTO+/CardRunnersEV?

12-07-2019 , 02:03 PM
just for me the lock(F9) isn't working?
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-07-2019 , 02:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NoLife
just for me the lock(F9) isn't working?
Most likely focus for F9 is being used by HEM.
We have created a workaround for this though.
Can you try Ctrl+F9 or Alt+F9?
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-07-2019 , 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scylla
Click on the icon for selecting the next turn card.
There, click on "Turn report".

Awesome thanks Scylla
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-07-2019 , 03:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scylla
Most likely focus for F9 is being used by HEM.
We have created a workaround for this though.
Can you try Ctrl+F9 or Alt+F9?
Thanks, both options worked
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 04:15 AM
Hi scylla,
I have a problem running database mode in different 'bursts'. As the program is quite intensive, I cannot run it in the background, and as I assume it will take several days to complete the entire database for 80 flops on my machine, I can't finish it in one go.

The problem I am having is that whenever I resume the process, it seems to go through the tree solving the ones that came up as requiring too much memory. Is there a way I can switch the priority so that it prefers unattempted flops first or do I have to go through each one and select the do not solve category and then go back through them again to reattempt on a future day? I ask as these ones always take the most time, and thus I have been stuck at 16/80 solved for the past week running it every night. It is quite frustrating to say the least...
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 04:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolognie1
Hi scylla,
I have a problem running database mode in different 'bursts'. As the program is quite intensive, I cannot run it in the background, and as I assume it will take several days to complete the entire database for 80 flops on my machine, I can't finish it in one go.

The problem I am having is that whenever I resume the process, it seems to go through the tree solving the ones that came up as requiring too much memory. Is there a way I can switch the priority so that it prefers unattempted flops first or do I have to go through each one and select the do not solve category and then go back through them again to reattempt on a future day? I ask as these ones always take the most time, and thus I have been stuck at 16/80 solved for the past week running it every night. It is quite frustrating to say the least...
To have a tree ignored, right-click it. I will also make some changes to the next release so that trees with the memory icon will be treated last.

GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 05:00 AM
Quote:
You can probably use the p,c,d notation.
Please note that if you use 0, so for example 50p,60c,0d, then the donk bets will be left out entirely.
Doesnt wor for me in the check-raise lines. Thanks for the tip with 0d, thats useful. It might be god to have just 0 for excluding the whole line. Like if I dont want to XR the flop, I input 0 there.

What I am having trouble with is changing the tree after I have already done some wor on it. I build a tree, made some changes in the tree editor, solved it and when browsing the solve, I realize I want to add all-in to all rivers. I cant rebuild the tree as I woul loose all the tree-editor tweeks I made previously, and going throught the tree and adding the action manually is time consuming. So having more buttons similral to "remove all bets OOP" would be heplful. Like add/remove bets/raises for some street or in some specific lines (add probe bets to all turns for example) etc.
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 08:51 AM
hi, scylla.
1) is it possible to open piosolver's files? my friend sent me his pio's calculations ".cfr" files, can i open them somehow?
2) is it possible to remove default sizing when i build the tree? for example i dont want to do any flop 3bet, if i leave this field blank then the tree will be built with default sizing, and i cant set value 0 in this field too. so i can only remove it from the already built tree.
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by alkaatch
Doesnt wor for me in the check-raise lines. Thanks for the tip with 0d, thats useful. It might be god to have just 0 for excluding the whole line. Like if I dont want to XR the flop, I input 0 there.
Ok, I think that it should be possible to include this for future releases.

Quote:
Originally Posted by alkaatch
What I am having trouble with is changing the tree after I have already done some wor on it. I build a tree, made some changes in the tree editor, solved it and when browsing the solve, I realize I want to add all-in to all rivers. I cant rebuild the tree as I woul loose all the tree-editor tweeks I made previously, and going throught the tree and adding the action manually is time consuming. So having more buttons similral to "remove all bets OOP" would be heplful. Like add/remove bets/raises for some street or in some specific lines (add probe bets to all turns for example) etc.
Ok, I will see what I can do here.
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 2wk2slw
hi, scylla.
1) is it possible to open piosolver's files? my friend sent me his pio's calculations ".cfr" files, can i open them somehow?
No, it's not possible for us to load files from other programs.
The formats are just too different.

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2wk2slw
hi, scylla.
2) is it possible to remove default sizing when i build the tree? for example i dont want to do any flop 3bet, if i leave this field blank then the tree will be built with default sizing, and i cant set value 0 in this field too. so i can only remove it from the already built tree.
Ok, we will add the option to fill in 0 for the bet sizing fields for the next release.

Last edited by scylla; 12-08-2019 at 02:17 PM.
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 02:20 PM
Hey,

Could you also add something like the p,c,d notation for the IP player?
For example, I sometimes would want to be able to use a different sizing on the turn depending on if it's a cbet or if the flop went check-check.
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 02:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rogorz
Hey,

Could you also add something like the p,c,d notation for the IP player?
For example, I sometimes would want to be able to use a different sizing on the turn depending on if it's a cbet or if the flop went check-check.
I can consider adding it.
The only factor here would be who made the last bet on the previous street, right?
So only c,p would be required?
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-08-2019 , 02:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scylla
I can consider adding it.
The only factor here would be who made the last bet on the previous street, right?
So only c,p would be required?
I think that would miss a possibility:

When OOP checks the turn/river:
- IP made the last bet on the previous street => c
- IP didn't make the last bet on the previous street => 2 options: it went (check-check) or (bet-call)

I guess p could be for when OOP bet the previous street and doesn't cbet the next street (since probe means bet vs missed cbet)

For the last case you could just have a letter signify that it is the first bet to go in postflop. (f for first?)



I don't want to make it too complicated either :P
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-09-2019 , 11:31 AM
is it possible to save tree that i edited in edit tree option? i builded tree and then i edited it in edit tree accepted changes and go back to build tree and tried to save it so i can use it quickly next time without editing again but it save only default settings in build tree
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-09-2019 , 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by magorko
is it possible to save tree that i edited in edit tree option? i builded tree and then i edited it in edit tree accepted changes and go back to build tree and tried to save it so i can use it quickly next time without editing again but it save only default settings in build tree
You can rebuild a tree for new ranges/board/rake/etc.
For this, go to "Build tree", select the "Rebuild" tab and click on "Rebuild with current settings".

GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-10-2019 , 08:04 PM
https://twitter.com/Kanupoker/status...364831236?s=20

I doubt this is really a surprise, but there are private solvers out there w/ the capability Kanu talks about. Essentially, you specify the number of sizes you'd like to have in a spot, and given that restriction, the solver finds the best size possible.

Could this potentially be a feature of GTO+ in the future?
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-11-2019 , 03:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by StraightFlooosh
I doubt this is really a surprise, but there are private solvers out there w/ the capability Kanu talks about. Essentially, you specify the number of sizes you'd like to have in a spot, and given that restriction, the solver finds the best size possible. Could this potentially be a feature of GTO+ in the future?
There's not really such thing as an optimal bet size. When playing GTO, any bet size will perform almost exactly the same as any other bet size. There's a very persistent belief that, when multiple bet sizes are used, the bet size with the highest frequency will be the optimal bet size. This is however incorrect. You can test this for yourself by building the same tree, but with different bet sizes. After that, solve the tree and look at the overall performance. This is OOP's EV below the table for the very first decision in the tree (see pic below). As you will find, all bet sizes lead to approximately the same overall EV. There's almost nothing to be gained from your bet sizing; the significance of quality of play is greater by several orders of magnitude.

GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-11-2019 , 04:47 PM
Hi, I'm sure something like this already exists but I haven't been able to find it... I'm basically just looking for a quick summary about the differences between GTO+ and CREV - are there things one program does that the other can't?
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-11-2019 , 11:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by scylla
There's not really such thing as an optimal bet size. When playing GTO, any bet size will perform almost exactly the same as any other bet size. There's a very persistent belief that, when multiple bet sizes are used, the bet size with the highest frequency will be the optimal bet size. This is however incorrect. You can test this for yourself by building the same tree, but with different bet sizes. After that, solve the tree and look at the overall performance. This is OOP's EV below the table for the very first decision in the tree (see pic below). As you will find, all bet sizes lead to approximately the same overall EV. There's almost nothing to be gained from your bet sizing; the significance of quality of play is greater by several orders of magnitude.

How does the solver determine frequencies of different sizes? Let's say it has 2 sizes and bets one size 80% and the other 20%. Why does this happen instead of 50/50?
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-12-2019 , 03:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by thoughtxriot
Hi, I'm sure something like this already exists but I haven't been able to find it... I'm basically just looking for a quick summary about the differences between GTO+ and CREV - are there things one program does that the other can't?
CREV is more general purpose software. It allows you to enter decision trees, and will calculate all EVs, equities and frequencies for you throughout the trees. GTO+ is roughly the same, however, it focusses on GTO, and only deals with postflop play. Because of the specialization into GTO and postflop, it can offer an interface that's more streamlined towards this purpose. GTO+ also offers several additional features, such as "Play against the solution", the ability to connect to FlopzillaPro, database features, turn reports, etc.

Last edited by scylla; 12-12-2019 at 04:04 AM.
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-12-2019 , 03:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mojo6911
How does the solver determine frequencies of different sizes? Let's say it has 2 sizes and bets one size 80% and the other 20%. Why does this happen instead of 50/50?
This is in order to set up a certain mix of hand strengths in the followup lines. Typically each line will be a composition of nut-like hands, medium hands, draws and air. The relative proportions for these hand strengths need to be set up properly.
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-13-2019 , 08:45 AM
Scylla how do I node lock a donk bet when the Solver has a 0% donk leading frequency?

For instance - I am in a COvsBB spot and my opponent deviates from GTO and donk leads 50% pot on a Q94r board.

How do I figure out if a hand like A9o or T9s is a better hand to raise here?

GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-13-2019 , 09:17 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Scylla how do I node lock a donk bet when the Solver has a 0% donk leading frequency?

For instance - I am in a COvsBB spot and my opponent deviates from GTO and donk leads 50% pot on a Q94r board.

How do I figure out if a hand like A9o or T9s is a better hand to raise here?

Click on "Lock+edit decision" (lower left of the editor).
This will put you in "Edit" mode.
You can now enter whichever strategy for OOP that you see fit.
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-13-2019 , 10:23 AM
Hi scylla, is there any way I can nodelock a player to overfold a river by a certain % for all rivers in a certain gametree? Like if I have a BU vs CO 3bp DB, and I want to make it so villain overfolds river after: X, B 1/3, C ... XX ... X, B 3X pot

I want to see how this would affect flop and turn play, if I do it manually it'll be only for one river of one tree which would take a while to distinguish patterns from
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote
12-13-2019 , 03:27 PM
Hello!
if I change my opponent’s strategy to turn, my strategy changes to flop.
Does this flop strategy take into account everything turns, or is it a strategy for a specific turn and the opponent’s specific actions on turn?
is it possible to implement: register an opponent’s strategy for 3-4 turn turnouts and get your own ready flop strategy, taking into account the opponent’s deviations on the turn? how to account for everything turns?
GTO+/CardRunnersEV? Quote

      
m