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02-12-2020 , 05:09 AM
Sorry, I mean it is only using 6GB if 16 possible.
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02-12-2020 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by avro_504
Sorry, I mean it is only using 6GB if 16 possible.
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And how much memory is actually available?

To check this:
1) Press Ctrl+Shift+Esc for the task manager
2) Go to the tab Performance (second tab)
3) Check "Memory"

This will show you how much memory is currently in use, and how much is available.
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02-12-2020 , 06:18 AM
Hi Scylla, I'm trying to figure out some information about my database. How this EV of hand count's? 73o have 35.13% EQ and EV is 1.67. This EV means that hand do in every situation when saw flop 1.67BB or it means this hand do 1.67BB/100 hands? sorry if question like this been asked, I can't find answer.
picture https://i.imgur.com/e1xTWaS.png
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02-12-2020 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LEDAI
Hi Scylla, I'm trying to figure out some information about my database. How this EV of hand count's? 73o have 35.13% EQ and EV is 1.67. This EV means that hand do in every situation when saw flop 1.67BB or it means this hand do 1.67BB/100 hands? sorry if question like this been asked, I can't find answer.
picture https://i.imgur.com/e1xTWaS.png
It means 1.67.
It will either be in $ or BB, depending on which unit you have used for your stacks/pot/etc.
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02-12-2020 , 09:18 AM
I've been running a lot of spots this week with the "process all files" feature and noticed that the file save size was very small compared to other files I have saved in the past. I've seen some old filed be 1gb+ and all the new ones are < 17mb. I'm able to load them and see full solutions, just want to make sure it's correct and by design.



Thanks
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02-12-2020 , 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
I've been running a lot of spots this week with the "process all files" feature and noticed that the file save size was very small compared to other files I have saved in the past. I've seen some old filed be 1gb+ and all the new ones are < 17mb. I'm able to load them and see full solutions, just want to make sure it's correct and by design.
Thanks
It sounds like you're now using "Basic" storage, whereas previously you were using "Extensive" storage.
Other than that, some compression has been added recently, although this would not explain a 50x reduction in savefile size.
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02-12-2020 , 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
It sounds like you're now using "Basic" storage, whereas previously you were using "Extensive" storage.
Other than that, some compression has been added recently, although this would not explain a 50x reduction in savefile size.

Yea the basic storage option is clicked. Is there any downside to this? I have loads of storage so if I'm better off using the extensive storage I don't mind.


If I send a GTO file that used basic storage to a friend, will he be able to open the file?
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02-12-2020 , 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
Yea the basic storage option is clicked. Is there any downside to this? I have loads of storage so if I'm better off using the extensive storage I don't mind.
When using "Basic" storage, the turn data isn't stored. This should not be a problem, given that this data will be recalculated whenever it's requested by the user. Within regular use, this recalculation will only take a few seconds. If you're planning to use the file for "Play against the solution" then "Extensive" storage may be preferable, given that it will prevent the software from having to pause to recalculate data. In the end though, within regular use, "Basic" storage should be perfectly sufficient, even when playing against the solution.

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Originally Posted by numberonedonk
If I send a GTO file that used basic storage to a friend, will he be able to open the file?
As long as your friend is using the same version of the program as you (or newer), then he will be able to open any file that you send him.
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02-12-2020 , 12:57 PM
what are color codes to change the color of bet sizes ?
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02-12-2020 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
When using "Basic" storage, the turn data isn't stored. This should not be a problem, given that this data will be recalculated whenever it's requested by the user. Within regular use, this recalculation will only take a few seconds. If you're planning to use the file for "Play against the solution" then "Extensive" storage may be preferable, given that it will prevent the software from having to pause to recalculate data. In the end though, within regular use, "Basic" storage should be perfectly sufficient, even when playing against the solution.



As long as your friend is using the same version of the program as you (or newer), then he will be able to open any file that you send him.

Perfect! As always, thank you for your help.
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02-12-2020 , 02:20 PM
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what are color codes to change the color of bet sizes ?
Open MS Paint and use the color codes for desired colors in GTO+.
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02-12-2020 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by scylla
And how much memory is actually available?

To check this:
1) Press Ctrl+Shift+Esc for the task manager
2) Go to the tab Performance (second tab)
3) Check "Memory"

This will show you how much memory is currently in use, and how much is available.
I have 11.6GB available
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02-12-2020 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Lpsycho
what are color codes to change the color of bet sizes ?
The color codes are RGB format.
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02-12-2020 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by avro_504
I have 11.6GB available
If for some reason the detected memory is incorrect, then you can override the detection by clicking the "GB" icon and entering whichever amount of memory you feel you have. Please do note though, that if you enter more memory than you actually have, then the software may use up all the RAM on your system, which may cause issues.

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02-12-2020 , 07:29 PM
scylla, do you have any plans to allow the user to set a threshold for a chosen action to be right when using "Play against the solution" feature?

Lets say the GTO solution advocates betting 50% of time. The user should be able to set a theshold like +-20% and when he chooses an action he should be able to set the frequencies (with the help of a slide bar maybe?). In the above example the user should say that he will bet between 30%-70% to be right. If he is outside the tolerance, GTO+ message us that we didn´t choose the GTO solution.

This would add great value to the "Play against the solution" feature since we can control our frequencies. As far as I know in the current version you need to pick an action which is +EV with >0% freq. to be right.

If it is not planned to include something like this, is it possible to load GTO+ sims into GTO trainer from Simple Poker which has the above described feature?
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02-12-2020 , 07:54 PM
I don't think sims from gto+ can be added to simple gto trainer. They are incompatible. Only option I have is simple postflop and pio.
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02-13-2020 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Kockar
scylla, do you have any plans to allow the user to set a threshold for a chosen action to be right when using "Play against the solution" feature?

Lets say the GTO solution advocates betting 50% of time. The user should be able to set a theshold like +-20% and when he chooses an action he should be able to set the frequencies (with the help of a slide bar maybe?). In the above example the user should say that he will bet between 30%-70% to be right. If he is outside the tolerance, GTO+ message us that we didn´t choose the GTO solution.

This would add great value to the "Play against the solution" feature since we can control our frequencies. As far as I know in the current version you need to pick an action which is +EV with >0% freq. to be right.

If it is not planned to include something like this, is it possible to load GTO+ sims into GTO trainer from Simple Poker which has the above described feature?
yes this! In general, that feature is awesome, but it feels like it is too focused on actual results of the play, which I assume nobody sane actually cares about. RNG is cute, but kind of pointless, most players will care about knowing the frequencies, the rest is irrelevant. And tracking Performance vs EV is just stupid imo.

I would also start with setting boundariy x that limits frequency that actually counts (so that choosing a decision that solver plays <x% of the time is not accepted as correct response in the Training mode). Or maybe allowing players to guess frequencies in every spot... Im not sure


Also, any plans to improve how the saved preflop ranges are displayed/structured? at least an option to hide a category would be helpful. Right now it can get fairly messy if I have a lot of preflop ranges saved (which guys who play both live and online will have).
Thanks,
doing great job btw

Last edited by Krax; 02-13-2020 at 02:25 AM.
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02-13-2020 , 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Kockar
scylla, do you have any plans to allow the user to set a threshold for a chosen action to be right when using "Play against the solution" feature?

Lets say the GTO solution advocates betting 50% of time. The user should be able to set a theshold like +-20% and when he chooses an action he should be able to set the frequencies (with the help of a slide bar maybe?). In the above example the user should say that he will bet between 30%-70% to be right. If he is outside the tolerance, GTO+ message us that we didn´t choose the GTO solution.

This would add great value to the "Play against the solution" feature since we can control our frequencies. As far as I know in the current version you need to pick an action which is +EV with >0% freq. to be right.
I think that it's really important to understand that if two actions both have a certain %, that they will both have the exact same EV. So even if it says 1%, then it's still an action that's available to you. I'm perfectly willing to consider an option to set a threshold though.
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02-13-2020 , 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Krax
Also, any plans to improve how the saved preflop ranges are displayed/structured? at least an option to hide a category would be helpful. Right now it can get fairly messy if I have a lot of preflop ranges saved (which guys who play both live and online will have).
You can just move your ranges into a (sub)category and minimize that category when you're not using it.
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02-13-2020 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I think that it's really important to understand that if two actions both have a certain %, that they will both have the exact same EV. So even if it says 1%, then it's still an action that's available to you. I'm perfectly willing to consider an option to set a threshold though.
yes, but most players are trying to simplify their game and avoiding these low frequency decisions helps with that.
Basically if during training I bet somewhere I should check 95%, I dont feel like I decided correctly, even though the EV is the same and I'd prefer solver letting me know (in the training mode)

re subcategories: Im not smart. Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for. Hundreds of hours of using this solver and I...sigh
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02-13-2020 , 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by scylla
I think that it's really important to understand that if two actions both have a certain %, that they will both have the exact same EV. So even if it says 1%, then it's still an action that's available to you. I'm perfectly willing to consider an option to set a threshold though.
I totally understand your point here. However, let's say you study a spot where you are triple barrel bluffing and a certain combo in your range is supposed to be bluffed 20% of time on the river.

Currently if you play vs the solution in GTO+ and press bet on the river you are taking an +EV line. But if you do this line with 100% of time in game and maybe with even other combos, then you are way over bluffing this spot because you don't know the rough frequencies.

The above suggestion would help you to control these frequencies and would be a great addition to the feature imo.
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02-13-2020 , 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Kockar
I totally understand your point here. However, let's say you study a spot where you are triple barrel bluffing and a certain combo in your range is supposed to be bluffed 20% of time on the river.

Currently if you play vs the solution in GTO+ and press bet on the river you are taking an +EV line. But if you do this line with 100% of time in game and maybe with even other combos, then you are way over bluffing this spot because you don't know the rough frequencies.

The above suggestion would help you to control these frequencies and would be a great addition to the feature imo.
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Originally Posted by Krax
yes, but most players are trying to simplify their game and avoiding these low frequency decisions helps with that.
Basically if during training I bet somewhere I should check 95%, I dont feel like I decided correctly, even though the EV is the same and I'd prefer solver letting me know (in the training mode)
I just wanted to point out that all actions with a % above 0 have the exact same EV. It's easy enough to add a threshold in training mode though, so I'll see what can be done here.

Last edited by scylla; 02-13-2020 at 06:01 AM.
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02-14-2020 , 09:04 AM
Is there any way to export the flops from the presets ?

I want to create an Excel spreadsheet with them

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02-14-2020 , 12:35 PM
Does the 163 flop subset represent the whole game tree or close to it ? Are there better subsets available?
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02-14-2020 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by andreicos
Is there any way to export the flops from the presets ?

I want to create an Excel spreadsheet with them

As explained here (www.gtoplus.com/subsets), our subsets outperform those of competitors by about 20%. For this reason, we are currently not releasing the weights for the flops (yet). We will most likely do so at a later point, but for the moment the "Export" button is disabled.
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