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09-08-2014 , 12:36 PM
I liked the finale; just a shame that the GR didn't buy the $40k models.

I didn't read the book, but according to the synopsis on Wikipedia I think they pretty much covered the storyline from the book, apart from one thing I could see them using next season. So it will be interesting to see how they continue.
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09-08-2014 , 03:09 PM
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Entire season worth it just for the moment that woman walked into her kitchen.
Holy **** that was disturbing
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09-08-2014 , 05:06 PM
i actually got chills when they showed the daughter doll
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09-08-2014 , 06:16 PM
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Thought the finale was amazing. The dolls in the kitchen could not have been more creepy.
That "dream" sequence was really well done. The scenes in the diner were awesome. Can't wait for season two.

What's the meaning behind the dog being tame? Is that a result of the GR's work? Kevin's wish from Holy Wayne?

Did anybody catch anything when Kevin was looking through the National Geographic?

This show should be a good rewatch. There are so many layers to it.
The only thing I got from the NatGeo magazine is that the paper was inserted on a page that had a map of Cairo, Egypt on it and Cairo is the name of the woods/camp/somethingoranother that Kevin was just at where he and Matt buried Patti.
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09-08-2014 , 06:41 PM
It sure is easy for the GR to break into people's houses in this show.

So didn't they remove pictures a couple eps ago and then they planted the dolls this time? Seems contradictory.
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09-08-2014 , 06:55 PM
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It sure is easy for the GR to break into people's houses in this show.

So didn't they remove pictures a couple eps ago and then they planted the dolls this time? Seems contradictory.
That's why they removed the pics - to get the dolls made.
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09-08-2014 , 08:54 PM
Thought the finale was excellent. Visually it was great with a ton of powerful scenes, great music. Felt pretty satisfied w/ the ending eventhough they didnt really answer anything.
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09-08-2014 , 11:41 PM
I thought the Finale was great, did GR want the people to go nuts and do what they did as a part of their end game? They had to expect the town would meltdown and many would get beaten and some would be killed. Taking pictures of someones loved ones will get you beat down, putting life like dolls in departed homes will get you killed.

I still don't get the "Make them remember" reason for doing what they did, people aren't supposed to morn forever and relive those moments daily. A person is expected to move on after they grieve, doesn't mean they forget.

I liked how Holy Wayne's eyes lit up when he knew what Kevin wished for. He was legit.
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09-09-2014 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FARGOpoker
The only thing I got from the NatGeo magazine is that the paper was inserted on a page that had a map of Cairo, Egypt on it and Cairo is the name of the woods/camp/somethingoranother that Kevin was just at where he and Matt buried Patti.
I saw that too. I didn't realize Cairo was the camp's name. Kevin will eventually have his jack Shepard "we have to go back" moment where he embraces the schizophrenia and heads back to Cairo looking for answers.

I still need help with the symbolism behind the tame dog (outside of Kevin's wish coming true.l. maple ton was filled with savage dogs. The GR pull the doll stunt, everyone remembers, dogs become normal again. Maybe, the leftovers now have the dog's rage?
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09-09-2014 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by electricladylnd
I thought the Finale was great, did GR want the people to go nuts and do what they did as a part of their end game? They had to expect the town would meltdown and many would get beaten and some would be killed. Taking pictures of someones loved ones will get you beat down, putting life like dolls in departed homes will get you killed.

I still don't get the "Make them remember" reason for doing what they did, people aren't supposed to morn forever and relive those moments daily. A person is expected to move on after they grieve, doesn't mean they forget.

I liked how Holy Wayne's eyes lit up when he knew what Kevin wished for. He was legit.
They knew. The mom told the daughter they they wouldn't be safe tonight and to leave.

I really don't get the make them remember nonsense either.
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09-09-2014 , 09:08 AM
I skipped like four or five episodes before the finale so I'm kind of curious if they explained why anyone joined the smoking cult? Like it didn't make any sense to me why Liv Tyler joined, or Laurie, and now apparently the daughter joined the cult? Did they get into the appeal of the cult at all? Because if you're a cult and your thing is basically going around being huge douches all day every day I'm not sure how you're really attracting new members. Seems like a pretty poor cult business plan.

Do they have some sort if charismatic leader or something? Someone who's really really good at sharpie writing?
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09-09-2014 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
I skipped like four or five episodes before the finale so I'm kind of curious if they explained why anyone joined the smoking cult? Like it didn't make any sense to me why Liv Tyler joined, or Laurie, and now apparently the daughter joined the cult? Did they get into the appeal of the cult at all? Because if you're a cult and your thing is basically going around being huge douches all day every day I'm not sure how you're really attracting new members. Seems like a pretty poor cult business plan.

Do they have some sort if charismatic leader or something? Someone who's really really good at sharpie writing?
Nope - no charismatic leader. They basically recruit by standing outside houses and reminding people of the departure to make them depressed and want to join the GR.

No more insight into why Liv Tylyer's character joined.

For Laurie, there was some added backstory about (1) her losing her unborn baby and (2) the GR leader that committed suicide was her patient in therapy and had predicted that something bad was about to happen. Those could have been reasons why she joined.

For Jill, her issue is when she discovers that Norah is only pretending to be better (she confronts Norah about the gun which Norah says she doesn't need anymore since she's better. Jill breaks in, finds the gun hidden in Norah's house and breaks down).
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09-09-2014 , 01:54 PM
Huh.

Holy Wayne's cult made a lot more sense. Asian girls and magical hugs. I get it!
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09-09-2014 , 04:03 PM
Yeah, I think half of this show will get more and more interesting while the other half will slowly (or maybe even quickly) become ******ed. I really like pretty much all of it now, but the lingering thought that some of the more important questions in this show will never be answered will always be there.
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09-09-2014 , 09:54 PM
I may be completely misunderstanding this show but I have no interest in finding out where everyone disappeared to. The mystery of what the cop wished for in the stall might be nice but even that I could live without
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09-09-2014 , 09:58 PM
I never expected to find out where everyone went, that's not what the show is about. imo.
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09-10-2014 , 01:39 AM
How the world reacts to the disappearance is more interesting than explaining the disappearance; the problem with the reaction side of the storyline is that the cult is a big part of it and the cult makes no sense.

The only part of the cult that was intriguing were the four people in the car who stopped next to Kevin and asked "are you ready?" or whatever, and Patti's premonitions. Those elements cause the viewer to take a leap of faith that "the cult matters".
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09-10-2014 , 10:39 AM
I think Lost kind of ruined the whole concept of "we're just going to leave everything unexplained and concentrate on X or Y or Z relationship or reaction".

I'm not saying that some ambiguity isn't permissible, or that every thread has to be totally clean, but there has to be some demonstration in the narrative that they're not just making stuff up as they go along, that there is a somewhat coherent back story that provides a foundation for the plot moving forward. We don't even have to be told what that is - but viewers need to be confident that it's there.
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09-10-2014 , 10:57 AM
I feel pretty strongly that he wished to have his family back.
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09-10-2014 , 11:31 AM
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I think Lost kind of ruined the whole concept of "we're just going to leave everything unexplained and concentrate on X or Y or Z relationship or reaction".

I'm not saying that some ambiguity isn't permissible, or that every thread has to be totally clean, but there has to be some demonstration in the narrative that they're not just making stuff up as they go along, that there is a somewhat coherent back story that provides a foundation for the plot moving forward. We don't even have to be told what that is - but viewers need to be confident that it's there.
Yeah I'm with you. Season 1 was okay, but I'll definitely be bailing for season 2. Pretty much every episode they built up 1-3 "mysterious" things to get the viewer's head spinning. The problem is that literally ZERO of these things were ever explained through the first season. I understand mystery, but you need to throw the viewer a bone every now and then.

To me this show just has no sense of direction and is just a weekly "What creepy/mysterious **** can we put in this episode (and later ignore)?" game.
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09-10-2014 , 11:48 AM
At some point I would like to see the parallel universe where the 2% which departed are the leftovers and the other 98% vanished. I bet they are better off emotionally. Also Gary Busey could play himself reigning as evil overlord in Vegas.
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09-10-2014 , 11:49 AM
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I feel pretty strongly that he wished to have his family back.
Pretty obvious he wished for a little black baby
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09-10-2014 , 11:55 AM
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At some point I would like to see the parallel universe where the 2% which departed are the leftovers and the other 98% vanished. I bet they are better off emotionally. Also Gary Busey could play himself reigning as evil overlord in Vegas.
Not if Shaq has anything to say about it!
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09-10-2014 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Morphismus
At some point I would like to see the parallel universe where the 2% which departed are the leftovers and the other 98% vanished. I bet they are better off emotionally. Also Gary Busey could play himself reigning as evil overlord in Vegas.
Didn't they do that in the Super Mario Bros movie? Just replace Busey with Dennis Hopper.
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09-10-2014 , 02:45 PM
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Yeah I'm with you. Season 1 was okay, but I'll definitely be bailing for season 2. Pretty much every episode they built up 1-3 "mysterious" things to get the viewer's head spinning. The problem is that literally ZERO of these things were ever explained through the first season. I understand mystery, but you need to throw the viewer a bone every now and then.

To me this show just has no sense of direction and is just a weekly "What creepy/mysterious **** can we put in this episode (and later ignore)?" game.
I wouldn't say zero but yea I'm kind of with you. The thing that was really bothering me was how the wife could be so committed to the GR. The flashback episode explained that perfectly. Perhaps more things will be explained as we go... For now music+acting+solid script makes it all worth it.
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