Adam is suddenly the best thing about this show.

I think it's weird that they don't seem to be doing anything with Ray and Soshana post party. I thought that was going to be more than just a bit. I guess there's still a chance, but it feels more like Sosh only exists for comic relief.

I wouldve thought that too if she was present in this episode without any connection with Ray. I think that the fact she wasnt lets some room and hope for her & this arc to come up.

as a vocal hater of this show, i agree this was the best episode yet. not a hard accomplishment but i actually laughed (as mentioned above...yo, skank where you at? getting that pussy pounded?...it's my sister).

a lot of it still feels choppy and awkward (the williamsburg business man's rant about working a real job compared to daddy's little girls right after him talking about his desire to stick in somewhere/anywhere seemed too drastic a tone shift)

and i'm tilted by the "previously on girls" segment featuring shoshanna and jessa's babysitting boss being addressed then not even appearing in the ep...what?!?!

but jessa and marnie pairing off worked for me and while i think vix's claim that hanna and adam are a such a great couple must be a typo, they sucked less tonight than normal. and i can see them growing on me (mostly because of him, very unlikely because of her).

while i don't think this will ever be enjoyable as parks and rec for me, one of the reasons i kept watching was cuz such a great show took a short first season (6 eps i think) to find a groove so maybe girls needed time too (and as mentioned, it is hbo and apatow), but it blows my mind how many shows take so long to hit a stride (i liked community from the start but many say it took until the first halloween episode). i don't actually like girls yet, but this could be a turning of the corner and i can't help but think how ridic it is that shows take so long to find footing yet are judged based on pilots alone.

Blue balls guy was weird and awkward, but I liked the character flip between Marnie and Jessa enough to make it worth putting up with him.

Strangely enough this episode and the party scene have been the most genuine to me. Despite being a Manhattan finance guy go to a couple of the warehouse parties a year and that one fit it to a tee. They often have a ton of rooms setup with different band and DJs and there has almost always been some ironic DJ playing Britney, etc. in a "hipster" way.

fingers crossed that Marnie+Jessa escalates into a full blown lesbian relationship (obviously it wont.)

btw, i saw on another site someone put a side by side photo of Shoshana and Rafael Nadal, and it was uncanny.

I have never been less turned on by two girls kissing than Marnie & Jessa. It was just completely nonsexual or unsexy somehow. The creepy dude trying to get some didn't help, but it wasn't all him.

Creepy guy was from bridesmaids.

yeah i thought this episode made some great choices and some poor ones - having adam be an actor/writer, something which i don't think we've seen before, is an easy (e.g. bad) choice. but i thought adam and hannah had great chemistry and their scenes were both funny and touching.

i thought the monologue was a bit overdone - it's hard, because clearly this guy would think all of this, but getting him to say it feels 'unreal' - i recognize that part of the appeal of this show (and perhaps, television in general) is that people tend to express what they're feeling without reservations, but it struck a false note for me. but because it's a half-hour show and this is a B story, they had to go to that place very quickly.

IIRC he says pretty early on, I'd say first or 2nd episode, that he's an "artist" (when they have that talk about needing money from their parents). Dont remember if he precisely says actor/writer tho.

I wasn't sure, but I thought maybe her reaction there was her defense mechanisms being up so to speak, after what had happened with the dad (where he called her a tease, and said they were never friends) the episode before. Initially when the bartender brought them drinks, she perked up and was smiling when she thought it was the old guy (who's more likely to seem harmless). As soon as she saw that it was the younger guy, she got that annoyed look on her face, and wanted no part of it.

My response to this show seems to be almost directly opposite what I've read here so far. I found the episodes to be decreasingly realistic and enjoyable as the short season went on. (I liked the first few episodes.)

Adam and Hannah suddenly getting together feels so false and forced to me. It comes off as Lena Dunham writing a boyfriend for herself. That is, of course, her right as the creator and writer of the show, but the quality suffers (in my opinion) when the plots stray too far from the "real world" outcomes and begin to instead resemble the author's fantasy. I appreciate that the character Hannah does live in her own head, but when everything around her falls so easily into place (She gets a job, magically! She gets the boy-- who hasn't shown real interest in her thus far, who is far more attractive than she, who has other, presumably better options-- magically!) the show loses what I consider to be its strength. The comedy exists where the world falls short of Hannah/Lena Dunham's idealized whimsy, and I think they're going to lose that if it continues looking like some bubbly, unfocused fairytale.

I also love Jessa though, so I think this may just be a fundamental difference of taste based on point of view

It was more to do with the guy being a massive bore imo.

I'm surprised people loved this episode in particular. I don't think it was doing anything special the others haven't been, and I thought the stuff with Jessa and Marnie in the weirdo/'s appartment was really weak by the show's standards.

I suspect the people slowly coming around to the show who describe it as a slow starter will think differently if they re-watch the early episodes.

Oh, I'm talking about like 1 second after she saw him across the bar, before they had even been introduced. If you get a chance to see that scene again watch how fast she goes from smiling to looking annoyed, in like the span of 2 seconds, when she realizes it's some younger guy who bought them drinks, as opposed to the old dude who gets up and walks away. I could still obviously be wrong though.

that's how i interpreted the scene also

Honestly, I just assumed she had a good radar for the sorts of guys who make mashups out of Len and recordings of children playing in a field. Though I guess she did have that moment with the dad at the end of the last episode where she said to herself "I've got to stop doing this."

Cheetah doesn't really change her spots though.

The old guy had long hair/glasses (artsy sorta look), and that is more Jessa's type, imo.

As soon as she saw it was the bearded younger guy Jessa became disinterested, I concur.

i watched about ten minutes of one episode and this is not very interesting

I don't really think there's another way to interpret that scene given how it was composed and shot.

No way. I mean I'm not one of those people, but the last few eps have made nearly every character a bit more likable and human, which has been one of the biggest issues with the early stuff. It wasn't bad before, but it's much better now.

no characters on the show are 'minorities', it should be right up your alley

yeah but they are all women

Two points: first, this was absolutely a conscious decision in the way the show was written. Girls invites you to make snap judgments about the characters, and then subverts them. I remember talking to someone after the third episode about why I thought Girls could end up something special and citing that exact point as my primary reason. The artifice for what makes this show work has been there since episode 1 as far as I'm concerned.

Second, I've found Marnie less and less likable as the show's gone on, and last night's ep was no different. I'm surprised one or two people mentioned (and you seem to allude to this) that they had a better idea of where she was coming from. She made a comment about how it sucks to be the uptight one, but she also bonded with Jessa over petty grievances with Hannah and took this condescending attitude about how she feels sorry for her. And there was the whole banging the door to interrupt Hannah's **** session thing. And last ep was even worse, with her completely narcissistic behaviour at the party.

Jessa, also, seems like someone I would not want anything to do with and I don't feel like they've fleshed her out either. She just tears through people's lives with no concern for anything other than her own amusement in the moment. Which is actually fine, because I know those people, and she gets by on charisma and being fun company, but I don't feel like they've bothered to look into what makes her tick really.

And both of those are reasons why, for me, the show hasn't quite lived up to it's initial promise. Though obviously I'm still a big fan and think it's more interesting than 99% of television out there.

I think in a lot of ways the Chris O'Dowd monologue is a microcosm of the show. This guy is absolutely melting down, over an albeit trivial issue, but this is all very serious to him and our leads find his rant to be progressively funnier the more out of control it gets. It becomes a funny story to tell for Jessa and Marnie, but it's close to this guy hitting rock bottom and they are unaware of it or don't care because he's a creep.

i definitely felt, while watching and thinking about it after, that dunham probably wrote and views that monologue as pudge describes

Jessa was a huge bitch and a drip the whole night. Although it turned out she was right that O'Dowd was a douchebag, at first she was being a horrible wingman for Marnie. She should have just left and let Marnie hang out with the guy because she wanted to. Why sit there and be rude and a dick to O'Dowd? Luckily he flipped out like a prick and Jessa was redeemed, but still...

This is what I wanted to do to Jessa all episode: