It will only get worse. Season 1 should be what really draws you in because of the wow factor. If you don't like that, then you won't like the rest. The storyline is bleh, and the dialogue is ****ing awful. The overall concept, visuals, and special effects are incredible no doubt. Unfortunately the writing really holds it back from reaching its full potential.

That being said, I stopped watching this show halfway through season 3 because the whole concept of the show is built on woke propaganda (which I still would have tolerated if the show was truly amazing).

Yea and?

What is the problem with this?

They cant stage football match results.

Never take advice about the Boys who complains about it being woke propaganda.

That is the take of an idiot.

i actually think they made it so it looked like a bit of woke propaganda but was actually majorly anti-work at the core, kept it a way to somewhat appease the people who need wokeness while going into a level that made fun of them without them knowing it.

If I'm picking up on the social commentary it's too on the nose but I love the Boys and want my fix.

It's actually the opposite though. It's made to look anti-woke but at it's core is extremely woke. The bad guys are privileged whites, males, conservatives, nazis, and of course Christians (not saying that I like privileged whites, Nazis or Christians either but this is WOKE). The entire show is infused with modern politics from a leftist slant. The main bad guy is a caricature of Trump.

Speaking of Super Hero shows, I just watched The Guardians of Justice (Will Save You!) which was released in March on Netflix. It's a low budget (think "B movie") show which mixes live action with animation. It's set in the year 1987 (alternate universe). It's definitely not for everyone though. I'd guess that half would probably hate it, but for someone of an older demographic that enjoyed the 80s, 80s video games, 80s action movies, and likes an irreverent take on super heroes I'd say it was quite enjoyable.

Regardless of the politics, I gave up 2 episodes into season 3. Might pick it up again later.

My major problem is that each season seems to have 3-4 episodes which could be condensed or cut out completely in the middle.

So its not possible to satirise perfectly legitimate targets such as privileged whites, nazis, evangelist Christians and Trump without being woke?

These groups should never be laughed at/derided in anyway because woke.

You dont like them but the moment someone takes the piss out of them you cant reach for the remote fast enough because "woke."

Just an absurd take.

Also btw, A train is black, and the head of the baddy corporation is Latino. Most of the hero's are white etc.

What I don't enjoy are politics being pushed on me through entertainment. I watch shows to be entertained, not to be lectured to or brainwashed. This is supposed to be a super hero show. Why would a super hero show need to address modern real life politics or make caricatures of real life politicians like AOC and Trump? They absolutely don't have to, but the show runners choose to push their own political views on the audience. That's one reason I choose to watch the many other super hero shows instead. The other reason is that The Boys simply isn't that good and has delivered well below expectations.

Its not a super hero show, durr, its an obvious front and centre satire/subversion of hero shows.

The lead villain is called Homelander and flies around in stars and stripes cape. Did the penny not drop at that moment? How could it not?

Its been political since the first second of air time, how did you miss all the parody of mass market consumerism and corporate power?

That everything the "Supes" do is absolutely cynically about bottom line and profit margins, audience reach etc, is constant and repeated through the show.

It even has the corporate head describe the Supes as "Product".

Its one of the most in yer face themes of the whole show.

Yet somehow you have made it to S3 before complaining its too political.

It is not remotely a Hero show in the sense Dare Devil etc are hero shows.

The way you talk about it Homelander should be flying about solving crime.

Its obvious that at some point they have taken the piss out of something you felt attached too and its cut too close to the bone.

As for brainwashing:

Also as regards the above, the show goes out of its way to satirise corporations exploiting woke messaging to sell product.

It's across the board satire and anyone getting upset by that is just being a total snowflake because one of their precious unicorns was treated meanly.

It can be satirical without going into real life modern politics (see Guardians of Justice). If it wants to delve into politics and push big tech propaganda that's its choice but I don't find the concept to be interesting in the slightest. It really makes no sense that you are so offended that I don't enjoy watching this show.

On a related note, I've heard that since taking over earlier this year, Warner Bros Discovery has been cleaning house at HBO Max (and CNN), removing many of the purveyors of woke. It's yet to be seen whether this is actually true but I'd love to see it be true considering all the potentially great shows HBO ruined the past few years (ex: Westworld, Peacemaker, Watchmen).

I'd suggest the Criterion Channel if your feelings get hurt by Peacemaker. Lol.

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IMO The Boys' last season was the weakest - not because of any subversive (?) themes, but because the episodes were jamming so many plot lines in that some never developed and dragged down the rest (Black Noir for instance).

I'm not sure where you thought feelings were hurt:

How the eagle acted was unbelievable also, don't forget that.

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Not to continue this discussion, but I simply assumed your feelings were affected, since you'd "love" if the woke producers were removed - such emotion obviously has a corollary where you "hate" their shows.

Not that there's anything wrong with that by the way: there's precious few shows that have universal acclaim. Some people find fault with a show's acting, plot device or even lighting: if you want to turn the channel because there's a black hobbit or a gay superhero, it's your right.

It shouldn't be.

most of the greatest entertainment throughout history has been highly political... im thinking mostly of novels

charles dickens
moby dick
mark twain
victor hugo
the russian novelists
etc

but movies and television too

the wire
shawshank redemption
star trek
star wars
the dark knight
lord of the rings
12 angry men
schindler's list
fight club
matrix
one flew over the cuckoo's nest
etc

Only a few eps in, but Paper Girls>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stranger Things if that is even a fair comparison.

Excellent point. Pushing one's ideals onto the audience does seem to be a very normal thing. It's just a matter of whether you are able to do so in such a way that keeps the audience engaged.

Perhaps starting a season off with a scene of some rando (new character) privileged white male woman-abuser getting killed "just because" is not the smartest tactic when the primary demographic watching your show are privileged white males (woman-abusers?). Unless the goal is to tank the show's ratings, in which case, mission accomplished!

I'm not under the impression that the show's ratings tanked.

https://thenerdstash.com/the-boys-vi...with-season-3/

I also can't imagine a better recipe for mediocre art than for the artist to design their work primarily to be inoffensive to the broadest possible swath of the viewing public. Not that I want to see a bunch of edgelord **** for the sake of it either, but I'm glad that "don't risk alienating people" is not the prevailing sentiment of a lot of shows.

My post was referencing Westworld, although I can understand how people likely missed the reference considering how next to nobody watches that show anymore.

Speaking of offending viewers, it seems some may be offended by the new episode of She-Hulk which had multiple spoilers for the show Sopranos. Seems like a deliberate attack by Disney+ against HBO Max (ala WCW spoiling WWF outcomes during the Monday Night Wars). Disney+ was able to sample the Sopranos theme song "Woke Up This Morning" but they had to pause the Sopranos video on a black screen since they have no rights to the actual show.

Maybe we can get a lil tit for tat with HBO Max spoiling Disney+ shows and vice versa. Are any of the Disney+ shows worth spoiling?

My instinct is that devoting time on the show to advertising an HBO show is a net positive for HBO regardless of the negative effect of spoilers. I can sympathize with some viewers getting pissed if they were in the middle of The Sopranos for the first time, but a 20-year-old show also feels like it’s past the statute of limitations for spoiler etiquette.

It's one of HBO Max's flagship properties. I don't think it's about etiquette as much as it's a clear and deliberate attack. If they thought it would increase viewers, Disney+ would have just spoiled one of their own shows (Disney+ or Hulu), which would have been far easier since they own the show's footage.

That being said, I complete agree with you. This will probably be a net positive for HBO and will backfire against Disney+ in much the same way that it backfired against WCW in the Monday Night Wars. Back then on WCW Monday Nitro, the announcers let the viewers know that on a pre-taped episode of WWF Raw airing that night. WCW thought spoiling it would work because was previously just a low-level wrestler in WCW so who would want to see ? Turned out everyone tuned in to WWF just to see even though they already knew that because WCW announcers spoiled it for them.