Yeah, I don't really care, but it did jump out at me immediately when he said it. It just seemed totally out of place because it was well into the mid-80s before the average person would've even heard of a 401k, let alone have it be a standard offering by a non-megacorp. The giant UFO didn't faze me at all btw.

Here's the Camus connection getting hyped up a day after I brought it up yes?

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...027-story.html

Camus has been brought up itt already. Article is very bad imo.

DoesTripoli ever appear in season one? I have no memory of that. Feels like hanzee getting plastic injury is a bit of a cop out so they can go that route.

The 401k stuff a mistake and the sort of thing other shows would not get a pass on.

The Milligan ending was just weird, he is described as a "low level enforcer" in the true crime book so I don't get making him an accountant?

The Solverson family ending was perfect

yes, he is in S1

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-wat...-from-season-1

See next quote of mine

And this is why a lot of people are going to complain about the last few episodes, and why I loved the finale. At least 3 scenes in the finale are like all-time good for me. The scene where he's driving Peggy back and telling his war story is like legendary. But people are going to say it was boring or weird in the same way they did for NCFOM. Not sure what to tell people other than the fact that good TV and good movies does not require stuff and explosions and intrigue. The human experience is often just about complex emotions and little moments in life. It's hard to do them as well as this show did.

Could not agree more.

Yeah she deserves an award. I didn't really get her character at first, and now I'm convinced it was a top 3 character on a show full of incredible ones.

You can't really like a lot of Coen stuff then, which is fine. But this certainly felt a lot like their stuff in the end.

Do people who keep posting about Camus assume that they are the only people who graduated high school itt? The Camus reference wasn't subtle at all. We all got it.

Dude, iillllii is 70% of the way to insights you couldn't even begin to fathom, you min-wage clown. He was born in the wind, and will die in the wind.

lol that article is like a 9th grade essay wtf.

huh? there seems to be an incredibly small number of people who disliked all the last few episodes. they were individually pretty distinct from one another, so i'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

That's just like, your opinion man

lol, ok so you're making terrible points and refusing to back them up.

the penultimate episode was super action and plot heavy and was beloved by 90% of people it seems. the last episode was obviously completely different in tone and plot and seemingly had a more mixed reaction. but whatever way you slice it, there certainly isn't more than a small contingent of people who didn't like all of the last 2-3 episodes, simply because they were all pretty different and would have appealed in different ways.

lastly, your paragraph about the car scene is complete and utter pretentious drivel (and yeah, that is my opinion, man).

Yeti it may surprise you to find out that I don't need to defend something I say just because you demand it. Your mod powers don't extend quite that far.

The whole season was elite, from beginning to end. The only possible weak link was the character of Simone...and Jean Smart wasn't in it enough.

My wife and i said exactly this at the same time during that scene. So yes.

Patrick Wilson has got to win an Emmy for this. The speech in the car to Peg about the war, the scene in the phone booth when he learns his wife fell, were just so incredibly well done. I loved the line about man caring for his family, "We think it's our burden. But it's our privilege".

All the acting was great but Kirsten Dunst also was particularly amazing. She managed to convey so many conflicting emotions, and do it all believably.

Finale was great but I agree with those who felt the final Mike Milligan scene felt a little forced. I loved Woodbine's performance all season though.

One of the great seasons of TV ever.

Patrick Wilson had several exceptional scenes. in addition to your list above, his first meeting with the Gerhardts, his first introduction to Milligan and the Kitchen bros in the store, telling Peggy & Ed they are essentially at a fork in the road, Milligan again in the hotel room, any interaction with his wife...he was fantastic.

I could see that. I thought the dream was very reminiscent of the dream scenes in Raising Arizona, with Hanzee as the motorcycle dude.

That first meet up with Mike Milligan featured one of my favorites exchanges of the entire season.

Mike: "Minnesota cop. You know you’re in North Dakota?”

Lou: "Yah, must have gotten lost on my way to the lake."

All the while, guns being pointed in every direction.

GOAT dialog.

What I thought was interesting about the Camus reference in the finale was that afaik it was the second time in the season that they devoted extended dialogue to the topic, and the scenarios were very similar. Same girl reading her same book, finding herself in a one-on-one situation with an adult (first Ed early in the season then the cancer-wife in the finale), deciding to throw some of that subversive Camus at em to see how their midwestern values handle it.

In the first scene, Ed gets thrown by it and ends up seeming a bit shaken by the implications. He ends up doubling down on his own family first values and ends up struggling and suffering for it, only to end up dead not long after.

In the second scene, the cancer-wife not only isnt phased, she outright scoffs at it and clowns Camus 'he didnt have a daughter'. Doubling down on her own traditional values in her own right perhaps, though we all know she also ended up suffering and dead not long after. Which is all right up Camus' ally.

Or perhaps the idea was that it was a character arc for the girl - with the same view on life she 'wins' against Ed but 'loses' against the wife and grows up some as a result.

Anyway people straight up read the Yellow King during S1 of true detective to try and understand that show better, so #sorrynotsorry I thought about the Camus implicarions some eh?

Would you say you thought about the Camus implications, or you 70% thought about them? Because it seems more like the latter...

One thing I noticed was that the series was bookended by 2 scenes of Lou and his wife in bed, and there were these tiny black specks floating around the bed in front of them. First time I saw it, I thought there was a problem with my TV reception.

Was this supposed to symbolize anything? Like the UFO's intelligence looking down on them perhaps?

I wondered if maybe the extraterrestrials were observing people on earth, and somehow protected Lou (saving him from Bear) because he was one of the few truly decent human beings on the planet.

FYI, bookend means first scene of series, and last scene of series. The first scene you mentioned wasn't the end of the first episode, and it definitely wasn't the first scene.

As for what you saw, I think you're reading something in that's not there. It looked like a bad visual effect to represent the shadow of the snow through the light. In the final scene, it appeared more that it was raining outside, and that they stole the very final shot in the series from the first time they showed them going to sleep (at the very least it was from the same day, but without having them side by side it looked like the same shot).

Ah was wondering as I wrote my post who would be nitty enough to mention that it wasn't the exact first scene of the season. Thanks.

I'll have to look at it again. You are probably right, I am likely reading too much into it.

Surprised at the dislike for the final episode. Final was really more of an epilogue which I thought was great. We get to a final scene with all the main characters. I guess we could just have a big gun battle and end it 5 minutes later but I'm not sure that would be very satisfying.


As people have mentioned there were a few Coen movie references. I doubt anyone caught this one and I even had to look up the book but I thought it was pretty clever.

At the beginning of the episode we get the dream from Betsy about what the future might be like. This is from Raising Arizona where Nic Cage gives a similar monologue. In Raising Arizona the end of his monologue is:

At the end of the episode Lou is reading a book to Molly before bed. The title of the book is The Great Brain by John D. Fitzgerald which is a series of children's book that fictionalizes the authors life and family growing up in a small town in Utah.