huh? see above.

Rabe:

Look at Skyler's face. There is a look of fear, not resignation.

It doesn't matter whether that scene did or did not constitute rape. Would Walter rape Skylar? Without a doubt, and that to me is what the scene is conveying - Skylar has basically been catatonic since the season began and Walt doesn't care.

I've watched this scene 3 times now and I just cannot see what some of you are seeing.

Yes, she's "scared" of Walt, but in a "who are you and what have you done with my husband?" kind of way, not a "you are going to hurt me" kind of way. She goes out of her way to tell him that she's scared of what he is now to make a point to Walt, that doesn't translate into her actually thinking after 20 whatever years of marriage to him that she has to consent otherwise there'll be violence.

I agree with Rabe_stark that Walt as physically intimidating is totally inconsistent with his character. To me that scene is meant to show that yes, he's out of his mind and yes, she's terrified of what he's becoming, but I just don't see the part where she's supposedly too scared to say no as he rapes her. All I saw was him being creepy while saying some bizarre things meant to show that he thinks he's some mafia Don now. It's also totally out of Skylar's character to all of a sudden be so submissive.

where do you get this notion from? Walt has never even worn the pants in their relationship

Now he does, since, you know, his wife realizes that he actually is a murderer. Please tell me that final scene resembles anything in their relationship dynamic to date.

Burners are sold almost everywhere. Walmart, local gas stations, online, Kroger, phone stores on and on... The police wouldn't know even where to look.

yea i mean, I think it's more likely your read is right given the thing your wife pointed out and gilligan's comment but i don't agree it's the only way to interpret the scene.

i mean, it can still be rape but intent should matter in terms of sentencing or how we judge his behaviour.

i don't remember the scene but there's a fine line between rape and taking some manly initiative to engage in sex with a wife that isn't in the mood or something.

meh, i agree with some of this but not most of the bolded. i think it's ambigous but depending on how the story progresses it'll be obvious one way or the other and I'm leaning to ~ape.

it can be a mix of grief, shock and fear (not necessarily fear of being harmed by walt)

i'm not sure this is accurate. i think it's just as likely the scene is conveying walter is now going to be wearing the pants and he's going to do it poorly, with a disregard to the feelings of those he loves. probably ending up losing them for good.

yea, i think this best represents my initial take on the scene. i've moved closer to thinking it was unintentional rape, though.

well, he's certainly wearing them at the moment, imo.

^ how can you say that? we clearly saw him taking his tighty-whities off, for sure he's wearing no pants whatsoever

shouldn't that have been her conclusion after walt's "i am the one who knocks" speech? that did seem to be her initial reaction, but later she changed her mind probably figuring it was just tough talk.

recently skylar has had to come to grips that walt is not just a cook after all, but a violent criminal. after what happened to ted, she can no longer ignore the lives destroyed by walt's behavior. furthermore, while she was able to stomach "white collar" crimes like laundering money and defrauding bogdan (largely because of ted's example), she was not prepared for the self loathing she would experience when things got messy. to top it all off, she sees that none of this phases walt which is what disturbs her the most.

ok, i rewatched it. i'll concede that the scene admits your interpretation. but can't she say 'no?' she has articulated grievances to walt before. and she came back after walt let her know who knocks. what's more, he ****ing forgave her for lighting all his money on fire, let alone the infidelity.

LOL. i wish i had a kid shouting that as i left meetings with my adviser.

i'm not going to concede that walt was 'wallowing,' as you have it.

it's hard to bring someone up when they're depressed. i know that when i'm blue, i'm hard to console.

maybe both.

we know that walt is capable of rape from season 1. and she displays a clear ability to fend him off. i'm supposed to believe that beneke being put in the hospital (force majeure) and a nursing home IED (a great plan) should mean that skyler has lost her will to defend herself?

this is kinda why i called them crocodile tears. skyler is not an idiot. she knows that being a meth chef involves engaging in unregulated, anarchic economic competition. extralegal economic competition breeds violence. that's why the streets in the hood are dangerous. that's why hamsterdam makes sense.

she feels bad. she doesn't have the stomach for all this ****. walt is doing his best here.

walt is a hubristic tragic hero. but i think the case against walt is strongest in terms the social costs of meth, not killing jane, poisoning brock, or his most recent sexytime

There is no such thing as unintentional rape. The only way Walt rapes skyler in that scene is if you think the man is required to get an explicit yes every time he wants to have sex.

What? This doesnt make any sense. There has to be consent for sex to not be rape. If skylar is crying and hating what is happening, she is not consenting to it and it is therefore rape

Using your logic the only way a rape can happen is if a woman explicitly says no and the guy continues on, and that is completely wrong

It stopped when he had the hissy fit and fired Saul after Saul had Mike bug his house.

OTOH, maybe finding out that someone like Gale could be a meth cook will lead Hank to re-evaluate Walter. All it will take is for Hank to think once, "If Gale could do it, why not Walt?" and then I think the pieces will fall into place.

The guy has to know that he doesn't have consent. So outside of an explicit threat of violence, yeah the woman has to say no. Especially in the context of a marriage.

This is wrong

thread now testing 52 week lows

That was kind of my point. Just because he's a murderer now she's not going to flip the switch immediately and be too afraid to say no in the bedroom after all this time imo. If that's really what the scene was meant to convey I think that's one of the worst transitions the show has attempted.

Oh I have some relatively non-specific speculation on Walt and the machine gun

This thread is raping the internet

Rapists itt

why was walt's supplier concerned about the weapon crossing the border? presumably the border is mexico, but mexico should have plenty of weapons already. maybe he just doesn't want the cartel to put a hit on him.

not sure if serious. i'm with you that intent is relevant but if the woman doesn't want to have sex and feels coerced into it then it is a form of rape. if she's too afraid to say no, it's rape.