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Re: Hank finally figuring it out, we've seen that he's a pretty sharp detective. Once he starts to suspect Walt, I think he'll revisit all the previous hints and figure most of it out on his own, maybe needing one more minor piece of evidence to fully convince him. So far we have:

-The chemistry equipment being stolen from the lab at Walt's school.
-Walt's early connection with Jesse, which eventually led him to Tuco.
-**Someone calling his personal cellphone with the fake news that Marie had been hospitalized, just when he was about to get into the trailer.
-The security cam tape of Walt and Jesse stealing the drum of methylamine.
-Walt showing up and distracting Hank when they're doing the sting with Badger.
-Walt crashing the car when they're about to check out the laundromat, which he now knows hid a meth lab.
-The dubious blackjack story.
-Walt's occasional ramblings that make him look even more suspicious, like the recent one about how Gale was someone's student.

What else am I missing? Definitely enough for him to finally figure it out.

the car crash one is the most obvious. once he thinks about it, he is going to realize that Walt knew what he was going to find, thats why he crashed the car for no good reason.

07-25-2012 , 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by master3004

Im married.

I have never tried to stick it in my wife while she is cowering on the other side of the bed in fear.

He was raping her because she wasnt going to say no because she is ****ing scared of him.

disagree. I think walt is delusional and drunk with power. he thinks he's a big man now and can take what is his. i'm not even sure if skylar isn't completely on board. i think she might be both afraid and intrigued.

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Originally Posted by Phildo

apparently on the breaking bad podcast that gilligan does after every episode he said the scene originally ended with skylar reaching back to give walt a handjob to stop him from full on raping her but they cut it.

okay, if this is accurate (that gilligan specifically called it rape) then I obv misread the scene.

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Originally Posted by Zaid_Ahmed

He's not intentionally raping her. It's not premeditated. The man is just deluded. He just gets into bed with his wife as if nothing has happened

yea kinda this but I agree with the poster that said there's power involved. he wants to take what he perceives as his. i just don't think walter sees it as rape. I guess I'm in between this pov and the power pov.

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Originally Posted by master3004

He's egomaniacal, sure. And I don't think he gets into the bed with the thought "yup, gonna do some raping." But, he does get into bed with the thought of "I'm gonna get me some sex right now, let her try to stop me." knowing that she wont. I don't think his delusion runs as deep as we give him credit for. He knows something is wrong with Skylar, and that's how he likes it, because she ****ed him over pretty bad and went to bed with another man after stealing his money (again, in his mind, not in ours.) He enjoys seeing her as this week, cowering person who he feels he has full control over, because Walt is all about control. What better way to display dominance than having non-consensual sex with the woman who did him wrong?

i don't think he's doing anything to get back at skyler.

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

that version of walter wanted to avoid shame - his stated goal was to help his family, and at that point of the show, i think i believe him, despite how misguided his attempt is, his motivations at that point were relatively pure. at this point, i don't see that happening - walter thinks he is untouchable, even when mike smacks him around his pride isn't that wounded.

07-25-2012 , 02:07 PM

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part of why walter has succeeded for so long under hank's nose is that hank thinks he's weak and inept. if hank had known gale, he wouldn't've realized gale was a meth cooker, either. hank would need hard evidence that walt is involved otherwise he simply will not suspect him.

07-25-2012 , 02:07 PM

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I think Hank needs to find something more to put those pieces together. I think he wouldn't imagine in a million years a guy like Walt would be behind all this crap. Looks like an ordinary guy to him probably.
It's like finding out your mother cooks meth or something, you just don't suspect that out of the blue.

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07-25-2012 , 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ice_W0lf

Some money was funneled through to Walt jrs webpage (season 2).. I'm pretty sure that stops for some reason, but can't remember why at the moment.

Didn't is stop because Skylar kicked him out?

07-25-2012 , 02:18 PM

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Hadn't thought of it before, but maybe learning that a nerd like Gale could be a meth cook might also make Hank consider that a pushover like Walt could be one too.
There's also the "WW" dedication in the notebook, which could factor into the case no matter what its original meaning.

07-25-2012 , 02:22 PM

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Im not sure where you are reading intrigued. In the two scenes she appeared last week she was petrified.

07-25-2012 , 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

Agree totally, some of you guys are way overestimating how easy it would be for Hank to believe this even if the thought had crossed his mind.

07-25-2012 , 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliBobby

Oh hey here is 300k for your medical bills, don't worry I had a good BJ score. Hank comes to 2+2 and finds out how hard it is to be a card counter.

Hank thinks that his insurance his paying for it.

07-25-2012 , 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikechike

-The security cam tape of Walt and Jesse stealing the drum of methylamine.

He'll think Walt is too smart not to roll the barrel

07-25-2012 , 02:58 PM

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@ mikechike

Also add the fact that Walt wasn't around in lockdown when they heard the news of the Death of Gus.

07-25-2012 , 03:08 PM

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I'm always wondering about the phone calls these guys make.
Like when Mike called to Walt that he is in. When Mike is on the suspects list isn't it easy to get permission to wiretap phone calls? I understand there is a possibility not even knowing the numbers, but still i would not expect them to talk so casually about business over the phone.
Walt even talked with Gus over the phone.
Even small time street dealers on the wire didn't talk so casually.

Obviously i have no idea about the real world scene of that kind of business, but it seems obv thing from the "not to do" list.

Maybe im just nitpicking

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07-25-2012 , 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by J0hny

It's pretty well-established that they are all using "burner" phones, pre-paid cell phones purchased with cash. We've also seen characters break their phones repeatedly, implying that they will get a new one.

07-25-2012 , 03:35 PM

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I assume that Mike and Gus use burners.

07-25-2012 , 03:38 PM

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Yeah I'm familiar with burners, i guess i have just missed those scenes.

07-25-2012 , 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pindawg

My ricin theory is that Walt ingests the ricin, and has taken the ricin shortly before the cold open from the season premiere. He has found himself in a tight spot, after losing his family, Jesse, and either facing jail or death from Madrigals super cartel.

uh...wtf is your avatar?

07-25-2012 , 04:14 PM

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lol...last week it's the stupid magnet talk. Now, it's the "roomba" talk. Jesse does not know about the ricin. We can take the scene where he cries about almost killing Walt at face value. He was upset about THAT and that only.

07-25-2012 , 04:20 PM

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07-25-2012 , 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Triumph36

Figure what out? That's the thing - he has no idea how he lost the cigarette. To me it's more likely that Walter screws up and somehow lets it slip, like he almost did regarding Jesse's girlfriend in 'Fly'

iirc this show also doesn't really have a history of tricking us into believing that a scene actually means the exact opposite of how it initially appears; we the audience have been getting a generally accurate picture of what's going on, and I don't think Gilligan would suddenly switch that up in such an important scene without more cues to the viewer that Jesse knows what Walt is up to.

07-25-2012 , 05:06 PM

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goofy, while I agree that I don't think Jesse planned the whole thing as a trap, the entire second season was based around tricking us. The initial poisoning was also pretty tricky.

07-25-2012 , 05:23 PM

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I'll bet Jesse figures it out and tries to kill Walt with the ricin.

07-25-2012 , 05:32 PM

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What about when it turned out that Jesse didn't shoot Gale?

Fly: Yeah, that's fair, but this show isn't trying to confuse you as to what characters are doing, necessarily. The poisoning gets resolved in-episode, and the 2nd season trickery has nothing to do with characters - it's just a weird foreshadowing device.

07-25-2012 , 05:37 PM

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The roomba didn't give Jesse his "aha" moment because he's not suspecting Walt atm, but I think he'll definitely figure it out eventually. That or Walt will tell him.

07-25-2012 , 05:38 PM

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True, I'd also say that there's no real reason for Jesse to run a sting operation like that, figure out Walt did it, and then act normally for the rest of the episode.

That sort of "a character acting weird to build drama for the audience" is the sort of trickiness that hasn't happened. The flashforwards in S2, Ted not being dead... those were the camera tricking the audience, not a character tricking the audience.

My money is that Saul tells Jesse as Walt goes further and further down the road of being insane.

07-25-2012 , 05:46 PM

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how do u even get a hold of burners? Everywhere that sells phones has a store camera or at least a vast majority do. Do ppl buy them online using a vpn and hacked network or both, and ship to a foreclosed home? Even if they found a store with no cameras it would only be so long before the DEA would have the store under constant surveillance.

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