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07-16-2012 , 03:40 PM
When are they going to get back to the Gale story line? Still waiting for him to wake up from his coma....
07-16-2012 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
lol it's never apparent his computer is torched just because it blinks off. That was the question I was asking, though. Will a magnet wipe a HD? Because if that's what they were going for, then sure, yea plan successful. It seems like they were going for the physical destruction of the laptop, though, and at no point anywhere was the topic of a hard drive being wiped ever brought up. That's why, from the way they shot it, their plan only seems to have partially worked. They seemed to really emphasize walt's overconfidence in his plan, too (which I believe will eventually be his downfall at the end of the show.)

it seems you dont know what you are talking about
07-16-2012 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Triumph36
I thought the idea was to erase the data using a magnet. I can't imagine that damaging the computer will significantly damage or ruin the evidence, but I can't say I know that much about recovering data. But you're right, that was never mentioned in the show, so maybe that's not the plan.
Ill just add one more thing, unless you physically destroy every platter on a drive "some" data is generally recoverable.

In other words if you took your drive dropped it in water then smashed it on the ground, I could, in theory get data off of it. It might bot be "everything" but you could.

back to the magnets , you need a pretty powerful magnet to really erase a hdd. The way mine and most company's "erase" data is to format it overwrite the disks, re format ,re overwrite and reformat.
07-16-2012 , 03:45 PM
jmakin just stop and watch the show, you're making a fool out of yourself.
07-16-2012 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rendle

This was so great. I could watch Mike be frustrated forever.
07-16-2012 , 03:49 PM
Yeah SSD for the loss. But they weren't super common in laptops back in this show's time frame, and they didn't come in very large storage capacities in laptops either. I actually have a similar workbook at work that I got in '09, and it's SSD is only 75G. You were shelling out a lot of cash if you wanted 150G, and I'm not sure laptop SSDs were even available that were much bigger than that. Assuming you're keeping a few days worth of video surveillance from multiple cameras on your drive, you'd want at least 500G.

Really we're just going to have to give the show a little leeway here. If Gus was super anal about data retention, he'd have a server farm for managing all his back ups. He wouldn't have a single laptop hard drive and that's it.

And yeah, sorry bro, lol if you watched that whole ep thinking walt's plan was physical destruction. Physical destruction of data is extremely difficult and walt would have never thought using a magnet to propel it into a wall would be effective in that regard. The plan was data corruption via magnetism.
07-16-2012 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by econophile
it wasn't crystal clear, but the purpose of the test conducted with jesse was to see whether magnetism could render a laptop inoperable from a distance. the laptop flying through the air and crashing into the truck was just a cool byproduct that was probably intended to demonstrate the magnet had more than enough power for the job.
Yup.

And I feel like after Walt saw that- he wanted to add more power to things so he could really **** **** up just to **** **** up- which he did later on when he cranked the magnet up to 11.
07-16-2012 , 03:49 PM
You guys are ridiculously bad at watching TV. It was never about sucking the laptop against a wall to destroy it and Walt's brother in law never ever thought Gus was Heisenberg.

Its hugely overthinking it to consider that they didnt successfully wipe that laptop.
07-16-2012 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
And so it begins.



I believe Jesse also makes another noise and motion to indicate something else happens, my interpretation was him implying the wiping of the hard drive. This is all beside the point, though. They literally show you what they plan on doing in the test run. The laptop starts to visually fizzle out, Jesse says "That did it", and then a visual gag of the laptop flying towards the magnet. Wiping the hard drive IS destroying the hard drive. The fire and bombing options are merely over-the-top executions of accomplishing this.

Sure, it may not have worked, but their plan was clear as day.

edit:

Watch the scene again:

Jesse's motion at the magnet suggestion
It's really obvious from his motioning that he was envisioning the laptop flying across the room and smashing into the wall.

I believe the laptop fizzling was a visual cue to the viewer that he was within range of the magnet. "That did it." That did what? wiped the HD? At no point do they make any mention of this, so you're telling me they expect every viewer to have heard of this wive's tale? Why don't they explain it at any point?

Like econophile said, likely next episode this will be resolved in 1 line, but I'm just saying from the way it's shot it's very clear the physical destruction of the laptop was the goal the whole time, especially driving it home at the end with the image of the partially broken laptop. I'm also saying it's very vaguely and crappily written. That's all.
07-16-2012 , 03:50 PM
the drive is now a moot , the bank accounts is what will be the trail, imo the security camera /laptop was to help bring Mike back into the fold as a player not just a man with a vendetta.
07-16-2012 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
You guys are ridiculously bad at watching TV. It was never about sucking the laptop against a wall to destroy it and Walt's brother in law never ever thought Gus was Heisenberg.
wat
07-16-2012 , 03:51 PM
I mean if you wanted to break the HD on a laptop, functionally throwing it around when it's off wouldn't even be a good way to do it- right? Ruins the laptop- but what would you really have to do to damage the HD in that setting?

This was just very clearly about use the magnet to wipe the data on the HD.
07-16-2012 , 03:52 PM
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07-16-2012 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
ah, but this show has had plenty of caper epsiodes! I thought it was quite nice to get back to one of those.
the earlier episodes with caper elements (e.g., A No-Rough-Stuff-Type Deal, Sunset) seemed like consequences of the main characters' bad decisions and led to further complications.

after the season 4 finale, the video camera did not seem to be a burning question in many viewers' minds. aside from resolving this issue, the current caper doesn't appear to lead to anything other than discovering the bank account info which could have happened in many other ways. time will tell whether there are other unforseen ramifications.
07-16-2012 , 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
It's really obvious from his motioning that he was envisioning the laptop flying across the room and smashing into the wall.

I believe the laptop fizzling was a visual cue to the viewer that he was within range of the magnet. "That did it." That did what? wiped the HD? At no point do they make any mention of this, so you're telling me they expect every viewer to have heard of this wive's tale? Why don't they explain it at any point?

Like econophile said, likely next episode this will be resolved in 1 line, but I'm just saying from the way it's shot it's very clear the physical destruction of the laptop was the goal the whole time, especially driving it home at the end with the image of the partially broken laptop. I'm also saying it's very vaguely and crappily written. That's all.

from other threads in other shows, I know you aren't a ******.

so stop trolling
07-16-2012 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
It's really obvious from his motioning that he was envisioning the laptop flying across the room and smashing into the wall.

I believe the laptop fizzling was a visual cue to the viewer that he was within range of the magnet. "That did it." That did what? wiped the HD? At no point do they make any mention of this, so you're telling me they expect every viewer to have heard of this wive's tale? Why don't they explain it at any point?

Like econophile said, likely next episode this will be resolved in 1 line, but I'm just saying from the way it's shot it's very clear the physical destruction of the laptop was the goal the whole time, especially driving it home at the end with the image of the partially broken laptop. I'm also saying it's very vaguely and crappily written. That's all.
Okay well said. You've won me over.
07-16-2012 , 03:55 PM
How the bank account will lead back to walt is what I wonder as well. Something to do with marked bills, I imagine.

I'm really not trolling, just to ME, as a viewer with an above average knowledge of HD's and how computers work, it was not readily apparent to me that they intended the viewer to assume that the laptop was completely destroyed, or that the magnet wiping the HD was the plan all along. I suppose someone with no knowledge will say, "Oh, screen cracked, game over man." and someone with partial knowledge will go, "Oh, hard drive wiped by magnet, game over."


Oh well.
07-16-2012 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by econophile
it wasn't crystal clear, but the purpose of the test conducted with jesse was to see whether magnetism could render a laptop inoperable from a distance. the laptop flying through the air and crashing into the truck was just a cool byproduct that was probably intended to demonstrate the magnet had more than enough power for the job.
this.

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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
I initially thought that's what they were going for too, but the way jesse describes the plan and the fact it's never even brought up at all ever, makes it seem like they were indeed going for the physical destruction of the laptop.

Struck me as strange throughout.
I'm really confident you're way off base here. It never occurred to me that they were trying to physically break the computer. Now that you mentioned it, it goes from nonexistant chance to ever so slight chance that's what they were getting at.

There's a gif posted above that is the most direct evidence (as well as guard's computer in police station) but I think it was explicitly implied in other ways, too.
07-16-2012 , 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dids
I mean if you wanted to break the HD on a laptop, functionally throwing it around when it's off wouldn't even be a good way to do it- right? Ruins the laptop- but what would you really have to do to damage the HD in that setting?

This was just very clearly about use the magnet to wipe the data on the HD.
Really? you would want to drill a hole through the drive 3 places.
A Fire to melt the disk would be best if we are talking physical damage.
07-16-2012 , 04:00 PM
Most people hold the belief that a "strong magnet" will wipe out a hard drive instantly.
07-16-2012 , 04:01 PM
Any chance that the account numbers on the photo were not Gus's?

Maybe Saul, or Walts somehow? Perhaps tying into the 600k that Skyler gave Ted?
07-16-2012 , 04:02 PM
Also

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you're telling me they expect every viewer to have heard of this wive's tale
The wives tale that's true? Yes- I do think it's fair to assume that most reasonable humans are aware that magnets can do damage to electronics.

My dad used to have a powered one specifically for erasing reel to reel tape in his radio days, it was kinda awesome.
07-16-2012 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JoshK
Any chance that the account numbers on the photo were not Gus's?

Maybe Saul, or Walts somehow? Perhaps tying into the 600k that Skyler gave Ted?
most likely tied into the madrigal company from which gus/gale purchased the equipment for the lab

Spoiler:
might explain why 2nd episode is called madrigal
07-16-2012 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by JoshK
Any chance that the account numbers on the photo were not Gus's?

Maybe Saul, or Walts somehow? Perhaps tying into the 600k that Skyler gave Ted?
Don't see how that would make sense. (edit: what Hate Machine says about Madrigal could make sense, but that's still a direct tie to Gus. That account doesn't belong to one of our other major characters or anything.)
07-16-2012 , 04:06 PM
There is so much fail itt right now. There is 0% chance they were going for physical destruction. It was obviously wipping the hard drive. You do realize a hard drive will work even if the screen is smashed! You can actually get information off a nearly destroyed HD. The only option is wipping it.

      
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