Breaking Back?

A spinoff where Walt tries to make amends by volunteering at a chiropractic clinic inexplicably (and hilariously) run by Badger and Pete.

Hey guys, there's still tens of milllions of dollars hidden somewhere in the New Mexico desert for someone to grab free and clear. No one knows about it. Lets go take a look. Bring shovels.

I couldn't agree with you more on everything that you previously said. Walt had outsmarted absolutely everybody the entire show, I don't know why anyone would think differently. I would also have been extremely pissed if Jesse was not freed. If the show had ended with Jesse killing Walt I would have been completely satisfied though. Walt being far from his family physically and emotionally is the worst punishment he could ever receive and I believe Walt knowing that he was ready to go because there was nothing left there for him to continue on. I hope VG does another series in the future continuing Jesse's journey. I think he could make it just as epic as BB.

bunch of ****ing nits itt

great finale. best show ever

bolded is about right. I think it's one of the best network shows, because unlike you, I really enjoy rewatching it. I find the storytelling very fun. My previous favortie network show was x-files. Actually, I'm a big sci-fi fan in general. So suspending disbelief, and accepting shows for what they are is just something I can easily do.

When I hear about how terrible Lost is, over and over again on these forums, it just feels so out of place. Like, it's just not terrible, in fact, it's orders of magnitude better then the actual terrible shows.

So, I guess my real criticism is that the Lost haters should really start qualifying. It's not that Lost sucks, it's that you guys really bought into and are still butthurt years later when you realized it wasn't as amazing as you thought it'd be.

I'd probably be butthurt, too, but I got into Lost late and never paid attention to the hype. I just marathoned it in s3 or s4, with few expectations. I found it very enjoyable and found suspending disbelief very easy (both in terms of the sci-fi elements and just general flaws that come along with network dramas).

I rewatched again, rather then watch the final season live. I just didn't care about the show enough to watch it every week. So, I caught up on the night of the finale, and with no wait and just marathoning, I was fairly meh. Didn't like that they ended so emotionally, but was emotionally affected, nonetheless, haha.

I rewatched it again, about 6mos ago. i enjoyed it almost as thoroughly as the first time. Great show to watch on a phone/tablet on netflix, while you're doing housework, or whatever.

lol. Okay, so the final season of the shield was perhaps consensus GOAT final season on ootv, but I'm a tard for not insta replacing with BB?

All I said was The shield remains my top final season and SFU my top final scene. That is far from a criticism on BB.

Hands down.

dat accent... also, I recommend everyone do some clever GIS for her using various "keywords"...

Why do people keep saying this?

AFAIK Walt went to the compound to discuss business on at least one occasion when he hired them to conduct the jail killings.

Or am I missing something.

It's more looking back, I cannot find any redeeming qualities to lift it above any show that lasts 5 seasons on network television. The sci-fi part is what got me, the characters and actors were so horrible, that made up for it. I wanted to know more about the island, why they were there, how they got there, what purpose they would serve. In the end, it just seemed like something they made up as they went along and had no idea what they were doing other than throwing in random mysteries for keeping you watching it next week. I remember how they blueballed viewers for like 8 weeks with typing in the numbers into the computer. You could literally fast-forward through 80-90% of the flashbacks since they are terrible stories and not interesting. There were occasional great spots, like The Long Con, but overall, they were mostly pretty terrible, with random coincidences thrown in just for no reason other than they thought it would be cool. I like stories that are told with a purpose. Too much was just throwing **** at a wall without purpose. The characters were terribly boring and weren't compelling at all. With some minor exceptions.



It really seems you are agreeing the show is pretty much trash romance novel stuff, and sure, some people like that stuff, but I don't. Not sure why that counts as hating. Your only argument that it isn't trash is we should have known it was trash. It's an odd argument. Even being network trash, it could have been a lot better with some very simple things. It really gets exposed when quality shows like BB come along and pay attention to the details, and write things that are interesting and surprise you.

I got into Lost I think in S2 or S3, thought it was dumb as hell at first, but a girl I was interested watched it so it was a good excuse to hang out with her. Then I thought it was going somewhere. I try to be skeptical, but it really seemed like it was fitting together nicely and for a purpose, even if it was drug out to extend for more episodes. The problem with the argument "the ride is what matters" is a bit incorrect if the enjoyment of the ride is about discovery in the future and tying things up. You don't just put random weird stuff in because it's weird, you do it because it's a hint at something else that's bigger, and fantasizing about that is what is interesting. Mystery shows need to have an actual mystery that gets resolved, not just weird random stuff that happens for no apparent reason, and then at the end "oh it was magic". That is extremely unsatisfying. Crafting a story takes showing things that might seem unrelated, and somehow tying it together, and making it important. Lost failed big time in that regard, although it did have the chance it could have done it, and it certainly had times where it looked like it was happening. Instead it was just a bunch of guys who got high as **** and came up with weird ideas and just made episodes about them.

If you are saying I should have realized it was trash? Guilty. I don't watch many network shows, and like I said, 24 was the only one I watched, which was enjoyable at first, then ridiculous, but still enjoyable. Lost appeared to at least be higher quality, but that proved way wrong. I should have known. I didn't get hooked on Flash Forward or Once Upon a Time, though.

Wasn't he also there when he ordered the hit on Jesse?

Baking Bad

Jesse's cake shop empire is threatened when his best customer, Huell, suddenly disappears.

I don't get how this finale wasn't a book-ending. short of the Earth getting blown up the by Death Star there are always going to be questions about what happens next. The best you can hope for is the major character arcs to come to a good stopping point, which is what happened here.

I don't mean this as a knock on BB, but if that is truly the best we can hope for, maybe I should spend more time watching movies rather than TV shows

Well in TV's defense, the ending (finale) doesn't necessarily define the series in its entirety I guess

It was what amounts to a happy ending to the darkest show ever on TV. Walt's character arc didn't come to a good stopping point, b/c he basically got to destroy countless lives, including his own, and go out on top. Whatever else the other seasons had to say about Walt's power hunger and self-image, the finale basically said he was right about everything. He is the one who knocks, he is the smartest guy in the room, he was destined to be "great." Which really undercuts the previous episodes, in which we see him withering away, unloved and unlovable, dying next to his money that no one will take, which would have been the proper ending imo.

I mean, in a way, I suppose you can see Walt winning as the darkest possible ending, but within the logic of the show, the only happier ending would've been if a unicorn had pranced across the screen farting rainbow dust on everything.

Zod,

It was a fine bookend, it just wasn't the type of bookend I felt the show was gearing towards this last season. It could have aimed for aspirations beyond tying up all the loose ends (albiet in a kickass fashion). He made peace with his wife (she cried for him, for example, while he says "goodbye" to the baby), he secured his families financial future, and he died before facing justice for his crimes. He got precisely what he wanted from the beginning. That's frustrating. I mentioned The Wire because its finale was basically "here is what happens to everybody...goodbye", which is a conclusive, but underwhelming finale for a show which is so much more than "stuff happens".

Okay, to be clear: Imo, like 95% of television shows ever made are complete crap. So, compared to the majority of tv shows, Lost is quite good.

Compared to the likes of the wire, sopranos and BB, Lost is complete crap.

I think we mostly agree, except beyond that, I very much enjoyed the ride and found the explanations sufficient.

Weird **** was happening because of a war between Jacob and MiB.It's all explained by MiB messing with people to try and get them to pick him (chaos/evil) over Jacob (order/good).

It gets extremely complicated to actually go through and illustrate how this explains so many of the little things that people nitpick about.

I'd seriously recommend a casual rewatch, if you're capable of doing so with an open mind.

I was happy that Walt won. Think about the lives he "destroyed"..they weren't very good people. Skylar isn't innocent and the only ones I can see him destroying are Walt Jr and Holly. Other than that, Walt get's a high five.

He wanted Skyler to still love him, not shed a tear for the man he used to be.

He wanted Holly to grow up loving him, not have to deal with whatever bs she'll have to deal with.

He wanted Jr. to go on respecting and loving him.

It only appears to be a happy ending because of how dark s5 was.

Which is disappointing. As I said before, he got as happy an ending as possible given his situation. It bothers me that they felt it necessary to have an uptick at the end of the series, rather than give Walt his just desserts, and end on a low note. Walt had one last hurrah, and won. Keeping with the trajectory of the season, and leaving Walt down and destitute, emotionally and otherwise, would have been a brave and unique ending. None the less, it was a very well done finale to an all-time great show.

absolutely - I think people are glossing over this fact too. here is a guy who did untold horrible things but basically got most of what he wanted*. would other TV shows let the bad guy leave on top with Hank and Gomie in the desert, Marie widowed and alone, and Skylar working at a taxi stand?

*though having an estranged son is an awful, awful outcome for Walt

He absolutely did not get as happy an ending as possible given his situation. He spent most of his last months in a New Hampshire hell. His brother-in-law was murdered because of him. His entire family's lives were ruined and they all hated him. Short of more innocent family members dying, it couldn't have gotten much worse for him.

I also don't think this last episode undercut the feel of the rest of the show. He spent 6 months in hell and that will change a person. If you feel shorted that it happened in 2 episodes, then whatever, but I absolutely believe he could come to terms with who he was in that hell and change. His honest moment with Skyler was amazing, and not something that has been matched very often if at all in televsion.

I feel like a lot of the people complaining about the ending are moralists who really hated "evil" Walt and feel cheated that he was able to keep doing what he wanted the entire time. You feel like Walt "won" when he should have "lost" but it's not about that. It's about his arc as a human being, and the fact he came to terms with who he was and why he had done what he had done.

Yes, he got to die on his own terms, but don't think for a second that undercuts the suffering he, and everyone around him went through. Just think of how dark Ozymandias was.

It's funny that the people who really hated Walt because he was so evil are actually disappointed more innocent people didn't die.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egTJEGrhPTg

this. so much this.

also to all the ppl that keep saying walt went out ontop and won etc do u think walt desired to die on the floor of a nazi compound with the last words he heard from his only son being pure hatred and yelling at him to die?

i mean really? what show were u guys watching for the past 5 seasons?
oh man skyler let him say goodbye to holly guess that means she 100% forgave him and as his life slips away on the floor of a nazi meth lab totally alone he can RIP knowing not a single person in the world has a positive opinion of him.

WAY TO GO WALT BUDDY U WON!!!

edit: its really as if ppl are watching the last 8 episodes as a completely new show with no historical context and are completely ignoring the actual arc/life of walter white.
if u actually think in the grand scheme of walter whites universe getting 9mil to his kid when he turns 18 (who wont even know its from his father n wouldnt accept it if he did) and killing the nazis was "winning" then holy **** at your world view.

just think about how deeply bothered walt was when he had to let ppl (esp his family) think the $$$ was given to them and how badly he wanted them to know he earned it and provided for them.
now his son and daughter are going to live the rest of their lives thinking there scumbag drug dealing murderer of a father blew all the $$$ and they are dependent on the charity of 2 ppl WW despised and would least like to get credit for helping his family.
ship the victory to WW.

guess u guys think jesse "won" as well cuz he got to kill meth damon...

Also, since I'm on a YouTube-posting tear, this was an amazing scene, aesthetically (the actual version, not the TV-recorded-via-cellphone version):