Indeed. Boston helped out a lot last year - they averaged 38.5k in that series - but toss that out and the numbers are still down, albeit less. The Jays played the A's and Rangers early last year just like this year, and the numbers for those series alone are down in 2009 as well. The overall trend looks to be a contraction in attendance, but it's not as dramatic as it looks initially; probably just 1-2k. Easy to blame the economy, but Toronto's rank is down this year, so I don't know. Obviously the team has done everything it can.

This was awesome. I've only seen that at Saskatchewan Roughrider games.

Bulls%$@, only one series sweep, they blew it against texas when Halladay pitched and they blew monday's game vs the Indians. They are underachieving

Manny suspended 50 games for...well you know

Watermelons? What did I miss?

homers ITT lol

+1

The Jays are running a little good because we have had an easy schedule but our offense is obviously way better than Pecota projected. Our offense being 1st in the MLB after 30 games indicates that its way better than Pecota or anyone for that matter projected.

In order to project forward it makes sense to use a combination of Pecota amd results of the season so far, The jays are on pace to win over 100 games which we obviously will not but we will probably win more than 80 and depending on injuries and luck in close games we could easily make the playoffs.

F*ck Pecota, it is a really terrible invention. I love some sabremetrics stuff and all, but Pecota is just utter crap.

Also if the Jays were 10-20 then our opponents would be 5 games over .500. Our opponent's record is bad because we made it bad. We have played basically every team in the AL save for the Yanks, Red Sox, Rays and Mariners (don't think I am missing anyone) This talk of a soft schedule is also utter nonsense as the Rays and Red Sox are the only teams we have yet to play that are good, but they are balanced out by the mediocre at best Yanks and Mariners

this post is just bad

You're looking at the stats you want to look at. First of all, Toronto had a home opening series against Boston last year. Of course that's going to ****ing draw.

You'll notice by the end of the Oakland series they were drawing 16K

Attendance is slightly down so far this year. It's not going to be down 7K per game average, that's ridiculous. And by the end of the year, attendance will be up over last year.

I'll take the over if anyone would like to bet me straight up, lol.

I love how the Angels switched Ortega and Weaver's spots so they could avoid putting Weaver against Halladay and actually win one of these 2 games. Pussies.

no it is not, it is based on previous 3 years team performance, and doesn't factor in improving player performance at all. Some guy just threw together and bunch of stuff and said this is how we will project wins for the upcoming year. Jays were decimated by injuries the last couple of years and had they stayed had average injury woes they would probably have won 90+ each of the last 3 years

wtf are you talking about I'm looking at stats I want to look at? Why would I purposly want to look at stats a certain way? I stated what the averages were/are based on those sites, and listed possible reasons for it which included the Boston/Yanks series's.

I still don't understand what was wrong about what you quoted.

and what, the jays are going to magically realize their full potential, all the while discounting the improvements the yankees, red sox and rays will make? I am (and I'm sure others are) more than willing to admit the Jays are a very solid team, and have generally underperformed in the hardest division in the entire league. last year, they played BOS, TB and NYY to 25-29, which is pretty damn good.

my biggest problem with your post was the soft schedule business. your schedule has been soft. have you pretty much dominated your opponents? yes. nobody is saying you haven't. but you've played zero games to this date against 3 of the 5 teams who were better than you last year by most metrics. when those 3 teams reside in your own division, yeah, you have had it easy to this point, schedule-wise.

aaron mf hill

aaron hill for triple crown and MVP

Sure, start the thread.

Also, FFS RIOS GET OFF YOUR BACKFOOT. THAT WAS A MAINSTREET MEATBALL.

as long as they're getting wins against the teams they need to beat, obv.

also obv, what conclusions can we draw from this season so far? they can beat up weak pitching and score a couple runs against solid pitching. half the rotation's been in the infirmary.

also obv, is that until we get a couple series in against each of boston, the yanks, and even tampa (despite their poor start). i say we enjoy the wave and stop overanalyzing.

can someone who knows baseball analytics better than i do compare how the jays have done against these cellar-dwellars to how they did against them last year?

Gamblor

Check out this page

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/st.../standings.php

That is like a sklansky +ev graph but for baseball.

Currently Jays are about 0.5-1.8 wins over expectation.

I don't fall for the schedule bs so far, I don't think when we play the Yankees in a week it will be much of a hassle. Their pitching is running really bad, and so are most of thier hitters.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Check out the probably pitching matchup for Tuesday night, opener of a 3-game set at home versus the Yankees.

Jays: ROY HALLADAY



Yankees: A. J. BURNETT




LOLOLOL PREPARE TO GET FUXORED AJ!

Over/Under on Rogers Centre attendance of 50K?

under ainec

Steve Young is a Jays fan

That was very cool to see. Almost as cool as Barajas crushing that ball over the left center field fence.