Uhhh, no we don't ignore it, we just don't blame the loss entirely on the offense like the post I was responding to.

BB made this same point last week when asked about it. The problem is that our guys are usually out of position and chasing the receiver. If you do that and dont turn around at the right time any competent receiver is going to draw a PI flag. IMO they can also do a better job turning around in spots where its going to be sort of hard for the receiver to uncover, mostly on plays to the sideline and corners of the end zone.

Taking the sack at the end of the half sure would have been quicker. They didnt have a timeout though, so not sure that would have really helped.

I wouldnt go so far as to say he has happy feet, but he's definitely less comfortable in the pocket than in the past and trying to avoid hits more than he used to. I dont know if its age or he's banged up or whatever. I was at the Denver game and he ducked once when there was literally no one within 5 yards of him. I actually thought he looked better at this in the Seattle game to be honest.

The announcers during the Arizona games talked about interviewing Brady pregame and Brady talking about how comfortable he was having Matt Light at LT his whole career and how without Matt there its harder for him to get as comfortable that the blind side rusher will be blocked.

he's had a bunch of intentional groundings. He's done the ducking routine a lot recently. To act like we're just spoiled is dumb. He's got issues man. I don't think it's too much to expect a lock HoF QB not to throw away points like that.

Yeah it's not as big an issue as the secondary, and probably not as big as Josh McD's late play calling, but it's a real issue.

He was horrible in closing that half, he brought everyone up to the line and THEN called time out. Brady did not have a plan, and neither did the coaching staff, and they ended up with zero points in one of the most embarrassing red zone moments of the season.

This happy feet QB has the Pats with the #1 scoring offense and the #1 offense in total yards, as well as doing his part in leading NE to currently tied for #1 in the league in giveaways/takeaways at +10.

Haven't listened to the BS Report in a LONG time, but listening to Simmons and Cousin Sal right now. Simmons points out that Brady took a big hit in this game, was slow getting up (I remember that), and went from great to terrible at that moment. He's guessing concussion. Wish I had the game on DVR to go back and watch.

vegas has SF as a 6.5 point home fave ove Seattle this week. Pats were a 3.5 road fave last week.

even with a shoddy secondary and an offense who seems to have trouble playing with a lead late in the game, all indicators point to this team being one of, if not the best team in the league.

While the D has its weaknesses they did hold seattle scoreless from late in the 1st quarter to the middle of the 4th quarter. During which time the pats had 6 trips to the redzone resulting in 1TD, 3FG, 1 INT and the intentional grounding at the end of the half.

They put up near 500 yards on a great D and without an unusually unproductive day in the redzone the game would have been a blowout by the 4th qtr.

Seeing Seattle manage just 2 FG's last night is telling, isn't it?

This is spot on. Last week's game is on the offense because they didn't play the way they are supposed to and are built to. We all know the secondary has huge weaknesses. They still played good enough to win if the offense did their job. This team is built for the offense to carry them.

Generally speaking, yes. But when we play a tough defensive team that is offensively challenged like Seattle, the defense has to do better. 23 points should have been plenty.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Our offense is stupidly talented. Like unstoppably talented. When they are not making mistakes, they'll crush even the best defenses. To be 1 for 6 in the red zone is unacceptable. All they needed was 2 for 6 and they win. 4 for 6 and it's a blowout.

The defense did what they needed to do to win given how talented this offense is.

Our offense is not unstoppable against the very good defensive teams. On those days, if they score 23 against a good defense/no offense team it should be enough.

Translation: If the offense always outscores the other teams offense they would always win.

I dont think that is neccessarily the point.

You often hear teams built around their D saying stuff like "Get us the lead and we will win". They just need their Offense to make a few plays per game and get a couple of scores and they can hold the lead for the win.

With a team that has as powerful as an offense as the pats do you dont need a shutdown D. Just a D that can make some plays and force a few turnovers. Then let the Offense do their job.

For a 40 minute span in the game vs the seahawks the D kept them scoreless and forced a couple of Turnovers. That should have been more than enough for a blowout win. It wasnt even because of the seahawks D making an impact. Pats still put up near 500 yards, it was the uncharacteristic 1-6 in the redzone that crippled them.

If this situation was reversed some would be pontificating on the textbook example of the bend-don't-break defense at work.

Yes but Seahawks are an elite D that dont play "bend-don't-break D" so i dont get ur point here.

It actually still kinda was against Seattle. They just made huge mistakes in the red zone. Seattle is one of the best defenses in the NFL and they put up 500 yards so you tell me what defenses they can't gain at will against?

They did gain a lot of yards, that's true. But the very good defensive teams will be able to keep you from scoring in the 30's and 40's like Seattle did holding us down to 23. That's where your defense has to be able to hold a crap offensive team like Seattle from scoring 24 points. And they couldn't.

In a thursday game on the road vs a great defense and after the emotional win on Sunday this is pretty meaningless

WRT the seahawks vs 49ers game. Early on Russel Wilson threw some great deep balls that were dropped by open recievers, atleast 1 was a clear TD. Against the patriots they caught everything around them even with players in their faces.

In seattles other 6 games they have scored 16, 7, 12, 13, 16, & 6 points respectively. Against NE they score 24. Telling.

They actually put up 27 against Dallas. Not that it matters though, because the only thing that stat "tells" is that Pats defense is likely below average. We all know that.

20 - they scored a TD on a blocked punt.