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07-16-2015 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jonpollard
We already have the next romo guys were fine at qb
ok I'll bite...who?
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07-16-2015 , 08:07 PM
I don't have any issue with the Dez contact at all. Seems perfectly in line with what he deserves, and I like the way they timed it.

Bravo.
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07-16-2015 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
ok I'll bite...who?
Dustin Fin Vaughn baby!!!
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07-23-2015 , 05:11 PM
Im sure theres schedule discussion already but does the back half look really ****in weak to everyone else?
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07-23-2015 , 06:21 PM
Four months from now who knows how that'll look, or how Dallas will look. They made it through OTAs relatively healthy but we're still a week from training camp (never mind the 12 games they have to get through beforehand). But yes right now it looks weak.
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07-23-2015 , 09:25 PM
Well yeah but the front end is ridiculous

They could easily be 1-6 in their first 7
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07-23-2015 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by yeotaJMU
Well yeah but the front end is ridiculous

They could easily be 1-6 in their first 7
We're due for +EV any given Sunday to come out 5-2
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07-24-2015 , 09:50 AM
Going to be a weird year to predict. Last year we scored 29.2 ppg (5th overall). I think we could expect that to drop say 25 ppg which would still be a top 10 team in scoring. But I'm hoping the D goes from giving up 22 per game to say 19. Still means we're top 10 in both categories which means if we make our own luck, that's a playoff team quite often.

In the end it's going to be about the gamers staying healthy anyway. Romo, Lee, Scandrick, Dez, Hardy...
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07-24-2015 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Going to be a weird year to predict. Last year we scored 29.2 ppg (5th overall). I think we could expect that to drop say 25 ppg which would still be a top 10 team in scoring. But I'm hoping the D goes from giving up 22 per game to say 19. Still means we're top 10 in both categories which means if we make our own luck, that's a playoff team quite often.

In the end it's going to be about the gamers staying healthy anyway. Romo, Lee, Scandrick, Dez, Hardy...
This is the year of the Dez he's shipping the MVP he's so pissed about his madden rating!!
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07-24-2015 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Going to be a weird year to predict. Last year we scored 29.2 ppg (5th overall). I think we could expect that to drop say 25 ppg which would still be a top 10 team in scoring. But I'm hoping the D goes from giving up 22 per game to say 19. Still means we're top 10 in both categories which means if we make our own luck, that's a playoff team quite often.

In the end it's going to be about the gamers staying healthy anyway. Romo, Lee, Scandrick, Dez, Hardy...
Other than Romo I think they could conceivably weather the loss of those other guys and still be competitive. Tyron maybe, or possibly even Dez. I don't think they have a credible backup QB. Or at least I haven't seen any reason to think they do.

As far as Vaughan, one thing at a time with him. His next step is showing some offseason improvement, then being good enough to stay on the 53 while developing.

For some perspective basically all of the good undrafted QBs in the modern era have few if not zero NFL snaps in their first 3 years of pro ball (they sit like Romo did or played in some other league a few seasons). So even if they were to defy the odds with Vaughan history strongly suggests it won't be this year or even 2016. The only thing in his corner is that Weeden is pretty bad, and the #2 in Dallas figures to get a ton of reps.
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07-24-2015 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
Other than Romo I think they could conceivably weather the loss of those other guys and still be competitive. Tyron maybe, or possibly even Dez. I don't think they have a credible backup QB. Or at least I haven't seen any reason to think they do.

As far as Vaughan, one thing at a time with him. His next step is showing some offseason improvement, then being good enough to stay on the 53 while developing.

For some perspective basically all of the good undrafted QBs in the modern era have few if not zero NFL snaps in their first 3 years of pro ball (they sit like Romo did or played in some other league a few seasons). So even if they were to defy the odds with Vaughan history strongly suggests it won't be this year or even 2016. The only thing in his corner is that Weeden is pretty bad, and the #2 in Dallas figures to get a ton of reps.
I don't think the LB core can lose Lee this year. Paper thin.
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07-26-2015 , 10:59 PM
That would hurt but I don't that would sink them. McClain and Hitchens are the most likely 2 (or 1.75) players to cover the two most important spots without Sean Lee. I don't want to get carried away with Hitchens but he had a respectable enough rookie season and comes in with a ton of game experience for a Year 2 player. McClain's not the most reliable but still can't be discounted as a potentially good starter for 12 games + possible playoffs.

Wilber, Gachkar, Brinkley are all experienced contributors - not studs but guys they might be able to do something with in a pinch. I've excluded the NO free agent who's supposed to be awful, and all of the fringe guys from Fabio on down.

There's the rookie too, which makes back-to-back LB picks with the last two 4th rounders. 4-3 LBs tend to get drafted lower and there's value there sometimes.

Sam LB is a bit a question but that's not a huge deal, their LBs are versatile but design and a Sam won't be on the field that much. They typically pull that spot when in nickel or dime which is more than 70% of the time.

So I don't think it's necessarily that bad. Lots of new faces + boom-bust types make them sort of a question mark rather than what I would categorize as thin. They'll carry prob 7 or at least 6, and you draw a lot of ST teams guys from your LB corps so that's another important factor in who you pick.
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07-27-2015 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Minirra
That would hurt but I don't that would sink them. McClain and Hitchens are the most likely 2 (or 1.75) players to cover the two most important spots without Sean Lee. I don't want to get carried away with Hitchens but he had a respectable enough rookie season and comes in with a ton of game experience for a Year 2 player. McClain's not the most reliable but still can't be discounted as a potentially good starter for 12 games + possible playoffs.

Wilber, Gachkar, Brinkley are all experienced contributors - not studs but guys they might be able to do something with in a pinch. I've excluded the NO free agent who's supposed to be awful, and all of the fringe guys from Fabio on down.

There's the rookie too, which makes back-to-back LB picks with the last two 4th rounders. 4-3 LBs tend to get drafted lower and there's value there sometimes.

Sam LB is a bit a question but that's not a huge deal, their LBs are versatile but design and a Sam won't be on the field that much. They typically pull that spot when in nickel or dime which is more than 70% of the time.

So I don't think it's necessarily that bad. Lots of new faces + boom-bust types make them sort of a question mark rather than what I would categorize as thin. They'll carry prob 7 or at least 6, and you draw a lot of ST teams guys from your LB corps so that's another important factor in who you pick.
I just think it's a tough year in the Beast to have this LB group. Going to be so many strong running games across the whole division. I like our chances at stopping the pass a lot better than the run at this point. I suppose with how the NFL game as changed, that's not a bad thing entirely.
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07-27-2015 , 03:59 PM
Given the options available I think they addressed LB as much as reasonably makes sense. Run defense isn't what concerns me if you're playing guys other than Lee and McClain anyway. Brinkley and Hitchens appear capable there, it's their play against the pass that concerns me.

Within the context of the defense as a whole I think they'd manage okay. Adding a first rounder to the backfield should help, and suddenly we're looking at a pretty interesting d-line group in front of them. Losing Sean Lee would mean a dropoff but I see a little depth behind him. Not compared to the Eagles, but certainly better than the Giants' group and arguably the Redskins 3-4 ILBs too.

If McClain doesn't get it together that's a little different. For now he's here with something of an insurance policy behind him.

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07-27-2015 , 05:20 PM
07-27-2015 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by rafiki
Him and run dmc should be a fun backfield lightning in bottle type
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07-29-2015 , 01:30 PM
Let me get this right: Jeremy Mincey is holding out for a new deal?

The same Jeremy Mincey that the Cowboys brought in as a backup after JAX and DEN dumped him. And who turns 32 this year. And who was given $2m guaranteed for a two-year deal.

Granted he was a pretty good value last year, and has a very good chance of starting while Hardy is out, or at least getting a decent amount of snaps in rotation if Lawrence/Gregory stay healthy and do well. But how much leverage does that buy him? He's not a Dez or a Scandrick.
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07-31-2015 , 09:15 PM
Annnnnd McFadden starts off camp on the PuP list. It's the other leg from the OTAs, lol.

Ryan Williams was waived/injured a few days ago also if you didn't catch that. Nobody claimed him so he's on IR and done.

So there's Randle, Dunbar as the COP, Seastrunk and some other random for now. Looks pretty likely they're going to have to find a veteran. Roster cuts don't start for a month and...

Steven Jackson's tweet is worth at least a tryout. Don't know if he can still run but at least known protections


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08-01-2015 , 12:21 PM
Just go full blown Longest Yard you know who Im talking about.
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08-01-2015 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael888
Just go full blown Longest Yard you know who Im talking about.
I agree with this
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08-02-2015 , 12:36 PM
SJax was atrocious at Atlanta

do not want
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08-03-2015 , 02:45 AM
Well yeah but is there anybody they shouldn't be taking a hard look at? They've got exactly one RB you can call a roster lock and he's hardly proven. They were working out Felix Jones and Ben Tate months ago...and they're even worse off now at RB than they were then.

SJax is old and probably done, and would most likely be a Week 2 signing at this point if anything. But he still looks like he was better than DMC last year. And if you're going to have a washed-up RB may as well get the guy who isn't always hurt. DMC's missed most of the OTAs and at least the first week of camp already...combined with the Ryan Williams experiment failing they could really use a veteran in camp mix.
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08-03-2015 , 11:39 AM
If Moreno rehabs well during the year, I could see him being signed mid-year. Assuming he's able to fix the ACL. Dude is talented.
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08-03-2015 , 03:28 PM
Cliffs: Dez and Patmon throwing punches
http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2...pr=99559607813
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08-03-2015 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Jackitos
Cliffs: Dez and Patmon throwing punches
http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2...pr=99559607813
They hugged it out feel like this is a good thing and jerreh loved it
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