All I want for Christmas is Angelo and Martz fired.

We're probably 11-3 right now with a healthy Cutler, but more importantly, we're 9-5 at the very least with a competent backup. It's just so disgusting.

I brought this up in the NFC North page. Hanie was about as competent of a back-up that you could have.

Hanie not being prepared is solely on Martz. He **** on Hanie last year, not spending any time developing him. No training camp this year and he spent the whole year not working with him. Now when the Bears just need a semi competent back-up to win just two or three games against medicare & poor competition and they fail.

Real back-ups would never come to Chicago before the season. You just don't waste your time with a young entrenched starter when there are so many jobs available with shaky, unproven or injury prone starters.

Look at teams like Green Bay who groomed Matt Flynn to be a reliable back-up. Now when he leaves they will groom Graham Harrell the same way. The Patriots groomed Matt Cassel now they are grooming Mallet & Hoyer. The Saints have spent time preparing Chase Daniel who has looked good in limited time, the Eagles with Kevin Kolb.

If you can't get a proven back-up, you have to work with a mildly talented late round pick to know your system better than anyone else. But since Martz is trying to figure it out from week to week, Hanie just has a hodge podge of options and is not prepared.

this **** turn is really making me hate martz more and more and turn back to dwelling on sending Olsen off.

Granted he didn't fit the martz scheme but he was arguably one of the best receivers on the team- shouldn't a good Off Coord figure out a way to bend and work a player like that into the system instead of finding a place to dump him off?

hardhead ass martz, time to take your medicine.

I didn't get the Olsen trade then, and I still don't now. And I'm not a Kellen Davis fan at all.

Greg Olsen is a legit threat every time he's targeted. Why a team that's built to win now would move him is beyond me.

I like how we also traded him only for a draft pick which well likely blow on a backup LB or something equally worthless

You guys are delusional. You are missing your RB, the center of the team. You are missing your gunslinging, top-10 in the league QB. (Injuries to both, but you all are clearly aware.) You have no WRs. Caleb Hanie, from Colorado State (they're the Rams!) is your starter. Yet you blame your offensive coordinator for your problems?

Jesus. The only people that deserve criticism are: Lovie Smith (only a moderate amount for his in-game coaching and general slight ineptitude) and Jerry Angleo (for being the embodiment of human papillomavirus). Seriously, the difference between the Packers and Bears right now is the difference between Angelo and Thompson.

Green Bay didn't "groom" Matt Flynn into being a good QB. We drafted him. He is from LSU and is way more talented and capable than your joke of a QB from Colorado State.

Yeah a 7th round pick that could never win the starting job at LSU is now going to be one of the hottest free agent QBs. But sure he was just a guy with first round talent who slipped to pick 206.

To be fair here, tschubauer didn't say he was going to be a hot FA but at the same time Flynn has never won a game as a starter (started once against Pats) either in the regular season. He came in last year in the Lions game in 2nd qtr, moved the team but threw a horribad INT near the goal line. So in my view we can't really hold Flynn up as being a lot better than Hanie at this point.

My point is that he is going to be one of the hottest free agent QBs even if we are unsure just how good he really is.

Some are saying that but some are not. Pat Kirwin is not basically saying what you're saying.

i think they would have won a game or 2 w/ mccown at the helm.

he did pretty well against the packers tonight

oh well, we'll never know.

lol hanie

Im really enjoying watching this guy tbh. Hes throwing the ball pretty damn well, but more importantly he moves so fluidly. Oh well.

Khalil Bell awesome too.

Mccown/Bell for starters!!!

Didn't see this post earlier, but two plays effectively ended Chicago's season: the halftime LOL WTF pick against the Raiders when it was 9-7 OAK and Chicago was abou to score to head into half with the lead, and the Marion Barber outside run in the Denver game.

Those two plays were Martz in a nutshell in 2011; always outthinking and levelling himself, never able to resist the urge to get cute in close games, making costly no-point decisions for a team that needed all the help they could get from the booth.

Martz deserves to get fired for this season, 100% no doubt about it.

i want to see what enderle has next week

if lovie doesnt play him, the coach coaching staff is ******ed.

I'm actually hoping we lose next week and move up in the draft. I guess if you're gonna completely fall apart in a season to miss the playoffs, you might as well salvage something positive out of it.

This team isn't far away from being really good, but goddammit it needs to happen soon. My heart breaks every time they've shown Urlacher on the sidelines during the last 5 weeks. He knows it, there's not much time left.

ugh, the defense is aging. i think we have a good 3-4 years left out of briggs/peanut/urlacher before they begin to decline in talent. imagine the defense without them.

the offense was on fire before cutler got hurt. fire angelo/martz, and hire someone who is willing to build an offense around cutler/forte. meaning more I-formation with forte, and roll outs with cutler.

Michael Floyd snapcall if he's available for us in the draft?

some mock drafts say floyd to the bears. we need more than a WR though. i would say cornerback, left guard, and some linebackers.

idk but i have this weird feeling about forte and his future with the bears.

My guess is if Martz goes (and I think it's closer than we think) then Tice takes over the job. If we then add Cutler's buddy Jeremy Bates as QB coach/assistant O coach I'll be content.

Definitely, 100%. (To my chagrin) it's a passing league. Cutler can't be expected to compete with Rodgers (who has Jennings, Finley and Nelson) when he has Knox, Hester and Davis. It's giving him a knife to a gunfight.
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We were just shafted this season, right at the point it started to come together. Got sick of hearing about the Packers injury jinx last season, when they didn't have it bad enough to cost them. We all know how they'd have done without their best O weapon (a la Forte), one of their top 2 WR's, two of their better OL's, and most importantly Rodgers.

We'll never know, but in the an alternate reality where Johnny Knox doesn't slip (again), this years Bears could easily have been last years Packers, and rode momentum all the way to a Superbowl trophy.

nice post. I was ready to throw lovie out too, because we get outplayed after halftime so often, but he does have the team still playing real hard. If we're lucky we'll get 2+ top-tier/elite years out of the D and then it will time to (ugh) rebuild. I hate angelo and I almost hate martz. if he wasn't so ******edly stubborn, he could be a great coach. oh well.

my brother, after the game: why the **** wasn't he starting sooner?

I came to post about the draft. Tell me, longtime bears fans, where are we going to end up:

2012 NFL Draft Order: Heading into MNF, Week 16
Order Team Record Schedule strength
1 Indianapolis Colts 2-13 .552
2 St. Louis Rams 2-13 .571
3 Minnesota Vikings 3-12 .565
4 Cleveland Browns 4-11 .516
5 Jacksonville Jaguars 4-11 .529
6 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 4-11 .545
7 Washington Redskins 5-10 .476
8 Miami Dolphins 5-10 .511
9 Carolina Panthers 6-9 .482
10 Buffalo Bills 6-9 .498
11 Kansas City Chiefs 6-9 .516
12 Arizona Cardinals 7-8 .476
13 Philadelphia Eagles 7-8 .500
14 Seattle Seahawks 7-8 .509
15 San Diego Chargers 7-8 .516
16 Chicago Bears 7-8 .556
17 Tennessee Titans 8-7 .453
18 Dallas Cowboys 8-7 .467
19 New York Jets 8-7 .502
20 Oakland Raiders 8-7 .507
21 New York Giants 8-7 .518
22 Denver Broncos 8-7 .524

we need another weapon, I think we should take a wr. hopefully justin blackmon. I'm not sure that's gonna happen in the late teens.

come on vikes! get us (bears fans) ahead of that bottle neck from 12-16.

Angelo fired! About ****ing time.