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03-31-2015 , 11:59 AM

#601

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Curious how you get that Abreu has a higher ceiling than Stanton?

i have a hard time believing stanton will ever have a season where he hits .300 or better

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03-31-2015 , 12:05 PM

#602

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Probably not but he has hit .290 twice and I don't think anyone is expecting abreu to hit .317 again. Plus Stanton could very well steal 10-15more bases than abreu if we're talking about ceiling.

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03-31-2015 , 12:08 PM

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Don't see a great reason to think Abreu can't be a high-BA type again. The SBs are a legit strike against Abreu compared to all the other top guys save Miggy though.

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03-31-2015 , 12:09 PM

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stanton's only projected to get 8 and only got 13 last year. 13's certainly better than 3 but it's not enough to be a legitimate difference maker when comparing the 2

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03-31-2015 , 12:11 PM

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SRM, I buy what you're saying but am a pretty big believer in stability with your first pick, so I lean harder towards your second list. I don't think any of them are falling off the cliff, but I'd feel pretty confident saying Abreu has the best chance of it happening. I think I'd trade a few points of BA to avoid that.

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03-31-2015 , 12:12 PM

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Don't buy the Stanton 8 projection...he went 13-1 in SB attempts. 3-year averages don't play.

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03-31-2015 , 12:23 PM

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I think ~10SB is definitely enough to be a difference maker between the two, especially if you consider that their power numbers should be very similar. I think there won't be a whole lot of avg difference between the two either. Steamer has abreu at .293 and stanton at .279. I see them both beating that by about 10 points each,so I only think you're looking at 10-15 point avg difference between them tops. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were both in the .290s.

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03-31-2015 , 01:20 PM

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I dont see how Miggy is not mentioned in that group. His floor is what he did last year while hurt most of the season, (and his worst production since he was a kid in Florida), and he was still a top 10 overall fantasy player.

His ceiling is 100+/40+/130+, something he has actually done twice in the past 3 years. and that could come with the best AVG and OBP in MLB.
Cabrera is being severely underrated in this thread.

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03-31-2015 , 01:41 PM

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I can only speak for myself but his health is as much a variable as the fact that this is only abreu's 2nd year

All things being equal he's easily #2

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03-31-2015 , 01:47 PM

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Yeah, Miggy's health is a concern. Goes back to what I was saying about security.

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03-31-2015 , 02:14 PM

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I've wound up with him in several auctions so far, not because I had targeted him but because his price relative to the other guys were talking about. I think he isgoing to prove a lot of people wrong this year. I think a lot of people forget he is still only 31.

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03-31-2015 , 04:13 PM

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I dont understand the health concerns from people who want to take Stanton ahead of him.
And Goldyys arm/wrist/hand should be as much of a concern as Miggys injury issue.

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03-31-2015 , 05:09 PM

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Have 3 spots left in a 100 dollar daily h2h snake league if anyone wants to take a seat

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03-31-2015 , 05:14 PM

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I dont understand the health concerns from people who want to take Stanton ahead of him.
And Goldyys arm/wrist/hand should be as much of a concern as Miggys injury issue.

Fair points, but age and the potentially degenertive nature of Miggy's injuries tell me he's the bigger risk. I'm no doctor though.

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03-31-2015 , 06:23 PM

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Mike Morse or Brandon Belt?

H2H 7×7 league 12 team.

Hits, AVG, Runs, Total Bases, Stolen Bases, Home Runs, RBIs.

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03-31-2015 , 06:30 PM

#616

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Belt by a mile.

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03-31-2015 , 06:36 PM

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6x6, runs avg hr rbi SB and OBP

Choo or laroche

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03-31-2015 , 06:47 PM

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I dont see how Miggy is not mentioned in that group.

Mostly based on the talk of him maybe not being ready for OD from a couple months ago. I don't know if he's rising back up the ranks but he should be. High $ league I have a hard time passing at 2. Abreu is really interesting but I don't believe in the .317 or the .290 projections (based entirely on last year). Of the group who could conceivably go ape to the tune of .330 40+ 130+? Miggy obviously, he already has. Other than him though, Goldschmidt imo.

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Stanton (new face, 2 trick knees, hate the park/div for hitting HR's)

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03-31-2015 , 06:55 PM

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6x6, runs avg hr rbi SB and OBP

Choo or laroche

The old Choo would kill him. Old Choo, I dunno. LaRoche should sit vs a lot of lefties so Choo might be the high risk high reward guy while also being the safe pick. Watch him do what everyone thought he'd do last year, still, I'm uneasy about the guy at this point.

That said, Choo (:

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03-31-2015 , 07:07 PM

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Assuming equal cost, who would you rather keep for the next however many years?

Baez or Correa?

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03-31-2015 , 07:27 PM

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Correa without a doubt.

Baez might never figure out MLB pitching. I have to admit he does have more HR upside, but Correa is no weakling and is a much better overall hitter.
And his approach and plate discipline is light years ahead of Baez even though he 2 years younger and began his pro career a year later.

In Baez' first 2 years at various A ball levels (2012-2013) his BB% hovered between 4-6%, while his K rate was 20-24%.
By comparison, Correa has a BB rate over 11% at A ball and only K'd ~15% of the time.
Thats a huge edge.

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03-31-2015 , 07:58 PM

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Ya baez seems like a dog to ever be a meaningful MLB player at this point. Which is a shame cuz that power is insane

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03-31-2015 , 08:00 PM

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Ya baez seems like a dog to ever be a meaningful MLB player at this point. Which is a shame cuz that power is insane

lol, he is 22

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03-31-2015 , 08:41 PM

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You should be able to not strike out on literally every pitch that isn't a fastball by 22

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03-31-2015 , 09:45 PM

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i think the point is more "sure baez might not be great this year, but writing him off completely at 22 is kind of absurd". if the cubs are gonna give him a shot - which is also a big IF, depending on what they do with their infield - id give him till 25/26 to say he can't be meaningful

that said, im still taking correa too

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