[x] Lifetime consistent loser online.
[x] Consistent winner at home games, but not enough to cover lifetime losses online.
[x] Probably a winner in live casinos, but small sample size so very meaningless.
[x] Feels like I am taking the game more seriously and improving enough to turn the trend around once we get some major online sites back up and running.

Well i've started with 50$ about a year ago and till now im up 7k in MTTs, down about 3k in CG, but managed to get about 9k in rakeback playing on stars. Tilt, multitabling, lack of skill pretty much owned my CG winrate and even now when im running good over last 250k hands i still manage to tilt away a few BI ever now and again costing me aprx 3-4bb in winrate. Finding it really hard to play my A game every time i play.

Could you explain/amplify/clarify this. I play on CG on stars and would like to get a piece of this.

Winning on line (mainly $10 6 handed sit and gos)
Winning (just) at live cash - 50p/£1 nlhe

Losing overall due to the cost of live tourneys. But 1 decent win would put me back to +ve for the last 6 months.

Played a ton of hands? I've managed SN on NL50 which is 1200$ stellar, 4k in FPP value. I've managed to get up to 170k VPP so thats about 2k more.

I played .01/.02 on Stars when I first got into poker. Since then with Black Friday and the opening of a casino within 15 minutes of my house in the last 3 years I've played $1/2 live and small home games and am still a winning player. But I'm already seeing how online poker was such a great tool in beating out variance. I still love live poker but when you don't get playable cards for an hour or 2 straight or your aces pre flop get cracked it really takes a lot of excitement and enjoyment out of the game that doesnt occur when you're playing multiple tables online

I'm actually a little suprised at the number of people who have come out and admitted to being losing players.

winrar

thats what my sharkscope says anyways :P

winning

Winner. I advance slowly enough for that to happen.

Read: still playing the micros.

Ptr says I am -0.68 bb/100 in nlhe, probably because I was a total fish for a long time (and a losing player) and have only recently gotten better. It says I am 6.85bb/100 in PLO but only 10k hands so meh. Live I am about 7.5bb/100

I feel that over the last year I have improved a ton and plan on using correct brm and depositing enough online to take some shots at higher stakes (been a micro player for a long time).

You guys realize that losers probably don't even know about 2+2 right?

ROFL you mean the very poor poor players! I'm losing and I know 2+2...

I wonder, if am I a winning player, if I don't actually gamble or would I be tricking myself and thinking it as I'm a winning player? I would say overall I'm a losing player in gambling, but with the right BRM I win most of the time? or is that wrong type of approach?

When you are asking "how much money can I make" you have to include all the things that affect your game. Being able to win at 5bb/100 when you're sober happy and rested is no good if 1/2 of the time you're drunk, tired or on tilt. Your ability to win is sum total of all the things you do.

If I dropped 50 bucks from my wallet on the way out of a casino one time I probably would not count it in my losses. If I did it half the time I went to a casino, and on average I played 10 hours/session, then I would subtract $50/20 hours from my win rate ($2.50/hour), because I would have every expectation that it would happen in the future also. Of course, I would also try to eliminate this leak.

I love your logic! btw nice house rustyb. do you play poker cause I see you on the site everyday

american weiner here.

Crushed micros for 18.38 BBs/100 over xx,xxx hands on stars.

Beat various other microstakes SNGS 45,9, and 6 man super turbos, and binked a couple low buy in MTTs.


Started playing live when I turned of age, and average something like 15BBs/hr at 1/2 1/3. Not enough of a sample at 2/5 to draw any significant conclusions.

Marginal winning player in live tournaments over a very small sample size, have had a few close calls but yet to have any top 3 cashes in bigger tournaments.

I'm not. Aside from the relatively small amount of trolls on 2+2 (and they stick out like a dogs b@lls), most on here are either established players, or people with serious intent to get better. Nobody learns anything if they are self-delusional, so I would expect to see mainly honest replies...as appears to be happening.

I agree with the point on cognitive dissonance however, and if you asked this question across a wider media than 2+2, you'd see much more bull.

Aside from playing live in home games and an occaisonal casino trip, I haven't played since black friday last year.

Winner as Free8runner8 on Pokerstars (OPR) from MTTs. Loser on Merge so far as BigVeiny09. Up $560 through 29 6-8 hour sessions of 1/2nl live which is pretty bad. I am a casual player.

I think answering this is kind of worthless. I mean, yeh, if you've played 50k hands and lost 10k bb ... you are probably a losing player, but I'd assume you've improved in that time and -20bb/100 is a _lot_.

More likely the ave. long term. "losing" player is playing 10 hours a week or less, so call it 500 hands a week and thus. 25k hands a year ... and maybe a -5bb/100 loser after rakeback/bonuses/whatever. So it costs them roughly 1.25kbb a year to play.
Which is going to be less than their yearly cable/netflix/ps3/whatever bill at 0.50 per. bb (which is higher than most people start, from what I've seen).

Then on the other side, to say you are a winning player with significant confidence a bunch of the pros. seem to think you need minimum of 500k hands in some of the games ... more likely 3x that (and then the games will have changed over that time, even if you didn't). And obviously you need to already be a pro. to do that kind of volume in any reasonable timeframe.

Winner! This made me feel better, a little bit.

Probably best known as binaryfinary on stars.

Everyones a winner here. Just like the ' joints" at the carnival before the rides! A winner every time, nobody walks away a loser. 2+2 is the place for poker winners. Just ask them! I only win occasionally, but I don't lose, I donate to keep the game going!

hahaha good one

The question is entirely dependent on the stakes you are talking about. At high stakes heads-up games the rake is almost irrelevant and there are around 50% winners at that specific game, if not more. Of the people playing high stakes heads-up, definitely over 50% of them are lifetime winners counting all games combined.

But at microstakes heads up, it could be more like 10% winners.

Regardless of stakes and game format, counting all players in online poker together about a third are net winners. Also, about 2/3 of all money deposited over time ends up in the hands of those winners. And the site converts about a third of all money deposited to rake. This is based on the DOJ published numbers for the former big three.