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01-21-2012 , 12:46 AM

bluem3

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 371

I'm curious, some people say 40% of poker players are winners some say 5%.
Let's see how many players are actually winning or losing. While I was playing, I was a losing player! but I made a couple good cashes in MTT however, I would win in MTTs, then play High Limit Poker and lose! lol at me

if you like you can state what games you play...

1. ThSprShwDwn (me) a losing player!
2. ?

end of this thread we will take the average! so, we all have the actual picture and the estimation. Please don't be a smart.... nor make pointless comments.

Thanks.

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01-21-2012 , 01:03 AM

RustyBrooks

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Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 24,647

I've played poker as a serious hobby for 7 years. I've never had a losing year.

This survey is not going to be helpful though. People may lie, of course, but even if they don't, the winners won't be shy about piping up and the losing players may decline to comment. Also, the audience here may have a larger percentage of winners than the population at large.

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01-21-2012 , 01:07 AM

Paul Valente

banned

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 4,925

Winnar!

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01-21-2012 , 01:08 AM

Donkedout757

grinder

Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 689

marginal vinnar

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01-21-2012 , 01:16 AM

bluem3

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 371

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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks

so to not lie that is why I'm asking, for the username...
well you wouldn't be lying about being a winning poker players, but posting usernames will be helpful...

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01-21-2012 , 01:17 AM

bluem3

journeyman

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Originally Posted by Donkedout757

marginal vinnar

and your username is??

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01-21-2012 , 01:17 AM

bluem3

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 371

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Originally Posted by Paul Valente

Winnar!

ya but you need to post username like me....

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01-21-2012 , 01:20 AM

pg_780

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,459

If we're talking about every person who has ever paid rake to play poker, in the history of the game, I'm sure under 10% are winners.

A poll here will certainly be biased, however, for the reasons Rusty said.

Winner, fwiw.

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01-21-2012 , 01:20 AM

yaqh

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,745

im pretty sure ive seen this question answered w/ pokertablerating's data somewhere. so you might want to search for that if you're interested in a reasonable result.

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01-21-2012 , 01:22 AM

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bluem3

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 371

ok so far

1. ThSpwShwDwn -
2. RustyBrooks +
3. PaulValente +
4. Donkedout757 +

the rates are pretty good, so far, but we need to verify it..

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01-21-2012 , 01:24 AM

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yaqh

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,745

http://www.anskypoker.com/2010/04/5-...ries-in-hu-nl/

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01-21-2012 , 01:26 AM

#12

mrlb

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marginal winner

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01-21-2012 , 01:27 AM

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bluem3

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 371

ya rusty seems like he is right most people on this sites are winners so far...

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01-21-2012 , 01:30 AM

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bluem3

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 371

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Originally Posted by yaqh

http://www.anskypoker.com/2010/04/5-...ries-in-hu-nl/

this for HU and from the HU there will be around 50% of winners??

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01-21-2012 , 01:32 AM

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yaqh

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Originally Posted by bluem3

this for HU and from the HU there will be around 50% of winners??

yes and no

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01-21-2012 , 01:41 AM

#16

kamikaze baby

old hand

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,971

I play as 'kamikaze baby' (obviously

) and as 'sushi baby' at bwin. I'm pretty sure I've been a winning player at tournaments every month I've played, though I guess I could confirm on OPR. Almost never play cash games, and I'm sure I'm either up or down some amount between $5 and $10 at them.

Sample bias is a huge issue with any poll you conduct here. People who are here at 2+2 are naturally more serious about poker than the general population, so you'd expect to find more winning players here. And many losing players probably don't care to advertise that fact.

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01-21-2012 , 07:48 AM

#17

Ronin Talken

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Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,326

It's been a rough career.

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01-21-2012 , 02:30 PM

#18

pg_780

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Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,459

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Originally Posted by bluem3

this for HU and from the HU there will be around 50% of winners??

Not even close to 50%.

The rake is much tougher to beat than people imagine. And the winners are playing way more often than the losers.

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01-21-2012 , 03:02 PM

#19

HU4holes

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Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 3,478

up to now im a losing player, but i already learned to play every variant that there is at PS.
i had tilt issues and got bored by single variants quickly,
on top of that i often played while being baked.
now i only play 8-game and i never play baked anymore.
in 2012 i expect to win a little bit more than what i lost over the last 3 years,
where i played and learned all the different poker-variants (im down ~ 6k$, education aint cheap).
though, i never got into debt to a bank or privately.
i think this is just the way it had to be,
because i didnt want to play 4c/8c limit or 1c/2c pl/nl while being in the learning-process.

Last edited by HU4holes; 01-21-2012 at 03:12 PM. Reason: atm my €-bankroll is already higher than my postcount, though

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01-21-2012 , 03:12 PM

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samyrr7

newbie

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 43

im a losser i-poker user name vrmarf play mainly tourneys and sngs but hopefully thatll change my 1st game i played i came second in $6000 freezeout won $900 then spunked $1300 cus thought i was a amazing pro alatly have been learning theroy and doing better

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01-21-2012 , 03:46 PM

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DarkMagus

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 8,391

in 2010 and earlier i used to easily beat 100nl and 200nl. now i'm struggling to breakeven at 50nl. ugh

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01-21-2012 , 04:31 PM

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chuckiegolf

centurion

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 122

I'm a rec player (old guy) lol, been playing for more than 10 years, mostly live 2-5, 5-10 holdem, throw in a little 3-6, 6-12 full kill plo8. Every once in a while play 5-5 PLO. Spend some time at tournaments in Reno and LV.

Nets for last 3 years
2009 + 6500
2010 + 3500
2011 - 2500 (ran really bad at WSOP for -5K)
2012 ytd -125 (Got killed in PLO game last Saturday for - 2.3K)

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01-21-2012 , 06:10 PM

#23

BLackOPS

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Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 236

Ive been playing poker and ive been playing since I turned legal exactly 1 year ago.
Ive depositted and busted so many bankrolls 3k online 4klive , im in huge debt but ive recently found my game in HU. And over my last 5k hands i played in 2 days since i depositted with a 40% rake back deal It shows that im losing because of the deadly rake. theres quite a few players out there that would be winning but are losing because the rake is too high. Down 2.5 buy-ins but with rakeback im actually up 5. 500bbs!!