And if the number of stars is infinite...

lol, Welcome to RGT my friend.

/demented giggling

"Absence of, or rejection of, belief in the existence of gods."

Havin' trouble with the word 'or' there, lew? That's okay, we can go again.

"...also defined more broadly as an absence of belief in deities..."

Maybe 'more broadly' is what's tripping you up? Never mind, I'm confident you can manage the last one:

"Atheism. Either the lack of belief in a god, or the belief that there is none."

But hey, for all I know you're camped outside 'gas' stations with a placard saying "IT'S A LIQUID! DON'T BELIEVE THEIR LIES!" Some people just have problems that way.

But in case you're interested, 'agnostic' derives from the ancient Greek 'gnosis', meaning 'knowledge'. In modern parlance it refers to claims of knowledge about god. I do not claim to have knowledge about god, and I consider it at least currently impossible for anyone to have objectively verifiable proof of a god - so I am indeed, as you say, and as I have continuously affirmed, an agnostic. On the other hand, I don't have a belief in a deity, so - per the definitions pasted above, which you seem to have had so much trouble understanding - I'm also an atheist. It's really not that hard.

I'm agnostic about the possibility that Gunth may in fact be God himself, trolling amongst the heathen to save those of us who are so agnostically ignorant about the pedantic semantics of our atheistic ignorance.

I would of course attribute a low probability to this, but given the EV of Pisscat's Wager* it's probably not worth taking the chance that this might not be the case

Note that Gunth may not yet be aware of his own Godliness ... so would that make him agnostic or atheist regarding his deity-ness ... or just plain ignorant?


* Pisscat's Wager is a little-known special form of Pascal's Wager, proposed by the French philanderer Beaujoleis Pisscat that even though the existence of Gunth cannot be determined through reason, a person should wager as though Gunth exists, because living life accordingly has everything to gain, and nothing to lose. It was set out in note 666 of his Pensées sur Panties, a posthumously published collection of notes made by Pisscat in his last years as he worked on a treatise on Gunthian apologetics. Anecdotal evidence supports the claim that the treatise was written between Pisscat's frenzied all night bouts of correspondence poker (played via pigeon post against Scandinavian hermits) which was then all the rage in Parisian cafes, particularly Pisscat's favoured haunt of Les Deux Plus Deux Magots at Place Saint-Germain-des-Pres
(with apologies to Wiki )

I am not God, and never will be, i just try my best to follow Him because believe it or not, He has provided us with everything we need in order to learn how to do so.

I am not here for my own personal benefit (of course this forum does force me to learn certain things i may not learn on my own). Mostly i am here to share what i have learned, because i was once too, a lost poker player struggling with life until i found The Truth. It only really takes searching and obedience in the right direction guys.

LOL. Where the hell do you get these All-in?

this made me LOL pretty hard

Brian: I am NOT the Messiah!

Arthur: I say you are Lord, and I should know. I've followed a few.

Praise be to our Lord, John Cleese

So I am still curious, do you believe that there is an even number of stars in the universe? A simple yes or no answer is fine.

I am not qualified at this time to believe whether or not it is odd or even.

So I'll repeat my question, since you didn't answer it. Do you believe that there is an even number of stars in the universe? I am not asking about your qualifications...

Also, this is not a trick question. For instance, my own answer to this question is very simple. No, I do not.

Well if i don't know it would be pretty stupid for me to believe either way.

Yes i could believe it is odd or even as a whole, but for me to believe it is one side over the other is wishful thinking.

This is pointless. "I don't know" is a perfectly reasonable answer to the question. To say "No" in certain context can imply knowledge of the contrary.

Ex:

In a routine conversation:

Do you believe it is expected to rain tomorrow?

The answer "No" creates the impression that you have knowledge that it will not rain. "I don't know" is better if you truly don't have information even though in a very technical sense "No" is correct.

God's provided everything needed to natives living in the remote parts of the Brazilian rainforest that have never encountered Christian teachings? Do they not count worth considering cause they're brown?

Gunth are you at least agnostic to the possibility that Zeus and Odin are real?

Why do you refuse to answer my question? It is a very simple question. I already answered it truthfully and sincerely and I don't know anything about the number of stars that you don't. So again, do you believe that there is an even number of stars?

Uh... what don't you understand about my answer? I believe it could be odd, or it could be even. But how can i pick a side if i don't know?

This is incorrect. Presumably you do know whether you or not you believe that there is an even number of stars. I, for instance, know that I do not believe that there is an even number of stars. In this context, since we are arguing about the implications of belief, I am clearly interested in Gunth's beliefs, not whether or not the number of stars is actually even. So, it is a simple yes or no question that Gunth should be able to answer. Does he believe that there is an even number of stars.

Because I am not interested in whether you believe there is an even or odd number of stars. I am interested in whether you believe there is an even number of stars. This is not hard. For instance, if I ask you, do you believe that John McCain is the President of the U.S., you would presumably say no. If you say, well I believe that John McCain either is or is not the President of the U.S., that does not answer my question.

I don't believe in what i don't know.

If i did not know who the president of the U.S. is, i would be wrong to believe a certain person is president.

Do you know that the number of stars is even?

Do you know?

No. Do you?

I think i have said all i have to say.