I think we should have a thread in which we choose which verses are literal, and which ones are figurative. I've been told that my verses are figurative, so itt we can make a list of these verses so I know next time. I'll start with the entire creation story. I don't know anybody who follows that except Sarah Palin, so I figured that'd be a good start. What you guys got?

An OP that really doesn't care.

clearly big erf doesn't consider "Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven" to be literal.

Luke 6:37

BillNye, yes, I'm judging that by what I read, you're a flop.

I'd like to insert Isaiah 45:7

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

...as figurative.

Cmon BillNye, you want to argue? I haven't been in a good ol' argument in a while. What you got tough guy? Nothing but insecurities I imagine.

“I will corrupt your seed and
spread dung upon your faces!”
Mala 2:3

"Take all the heads of the people
and hang them up before the Lord
against the sun.” -- Numbers 25:4

“...for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God”
-Deut 5:9

“The Lord is a man of War!”
Exodus 15:3

“As it is written, Jacob have I loved,
but Esau have I hated.” --Romans 9:13

"...They shall fall by the sword:
their infants shall be dashed in
pieces, and their women with child
(pregnant) shall be ripped up!" -- Hosea 13:16

(guess God is pro-choice)

What do you want to argue about? I'd really enjoy a debate, you can choose the subject. I'm not tough, and I have no insecurities that I can think of off the top of my head.

also lol @ you judging me again. Between this and you not giving up your possessions I'm afraid you may never enter God's holy land. Moses didn't get in, what makes you think you have a chance?

Deuteronomy 21:18-21 is literal

18If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Because of this I think that Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill" is figurative

Luke 14:33 "So therefore, none of you can become my disciple if you do not give up all your possessions." I think this is literal, but I think I'm in the minority.

Let's argue about why you don't see my way and I don't see yours.

How do you not see the difference in the OT compared to the NT? You keep saying that Gods law this and Gods law that but aren't seeing the NT side which SAYS IT DOESNT MATTER what the law says. Jesus is what matters. You accuse JIb and me and every other Christian on here of not being worthy by some standard that you set. But YOU have NO clue! And when someone attempts to give you a clue you say "tldr".

If, If you want to ever see something you have to attempt to look at it first. I've made an ass out of my self countless times on here trying to find the truth and I've come closer each time. And I can admit that I didn't/don't know what I'm talking about but you can't. And on this subject here, the stupid one where you keep saying that if we were really Christians we'd sell all of our accessories and feed starving African kids, YOU HAVE NO CLUE.

If we did what you suggest, logically, we would be just as bad off as the ones we're trying to help. Now what good would that do? How about using technology to try and spread the word and help others who can actually make a difference at this time MAKE THE DIFFERENCE. If I had millions of dollars do you really think I'd be keeping it all to myself? No. Hell No! But just because I would buy myself stability and send my daughter to college doesn't mean I'm not a Christian. This world needs to be Educated. God's people need to have the funds that the rich have so THEY can make the difference BECAUSE THE ONES WHO HAVE THE MONEY NOW AREN'T CUTTIN' IT!

Yep, I'm declaring this the unholy thread. At least until I get banned or this thread gets locked.

Wrong! Literal. I would also accept sandwich as an answer.

I second the sandwich!

First of all I've said many times that they Old Testament needs to be excluded from the bible. Until it is, it's open for crititism. However, as you reject it thats a good start. Heres a line from the new testament.

It is Luke 14:33 "In the same way, none of you can be my disciple unless he gives up all his possessions."

As far as your children. The world needs to be fed before it can be educated. Your putting your daughters advance education before the lives of hundreds.

We don't see eye to eye, because I was raised Catholic. Saw how rediculous it was, saw that nobody really was Catholic, they just were in fantasy land, ignoring the verses they didn't like, and giving their 20 a week to the Church in exchange for their passport to heaven. Now for the sake of simplicity your either Christian, "Christian" or Not Christian. My interpretation of the bible is that only Christians would make it into heaven. Mother Theresa is prob the best example, there are not many that I know of.

So basically I think, heres a guy who for some reason defends his faith, but is unwilling to go all the way. I question you about that, and to me it seems obvious. You think your God might be real, but your not sure. You are sure that you have a daughter, so you make the obvious decision to support her to your fullest. Now if you were sure, you'd support your family, and then use the rest to support others. BTW a computer and digital camera would fall under "the rest." Clean drinking water, shelter, food, and education would fall under the necessities [not college].

So what I'm trying to say is, neither me or you is 100% sure that God exists / doesn't. I'm as sure as I can be w/o being 100% that the Christian God doesn't exist. I can't prove he doesn't [although I have proven that if he does he's really ****ed up or totally had nothing to do w/ the old testament]. And you can't prove that he does. But you can admit that you don't base your life off of a total belief that he exists. Which I haven't seen you do. If I even thought there was a 25% chance God existed I'd give up my entire life for him, because Eternal Heaven is sooooooo valuable. I can't help but assume people view it's value similarly to me.

Are we making any progress on why we don't see eye to eye?

You do understand that Jesus was talking about His OWN disciples? What good are they if they have to tote around their bed, closet, dishes, and collection of shoe horns?

In the spirit of this thread, I will only reply from now on with bible verse.

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished." Matt 5:17-18

"But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail." Luke 16:17

Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go and sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me." - Matt 19:21

"Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys." - Luke 12:33

"The King will answer and say to them, `Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' - Matt 25:40

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal." Matt 6:19

"THE LORD KNOWS THE REASONINGS of the wise, THAT THEY ARE USELESS." - 1st Corinthians 3:20
"Professing to be wise, they became fools," - Romans 1:22

Some soldiers were questioning him, saying, "And what about us, what shall we do?" And he said to them, "Do not take money from anyone by force, or accuse anyone falsely, and be content with your wages." - Luke 3:14

You cannot serve God and wealth. - Matt 6:24

fyp, but continue w/ the rest of my post before you come back to this. As neither is going to prove which interpretation is correct.

Ah, so then let's take this verse literally as well, i mean jesus was talking to HIS OWN DISCIPLES!!!!111111111!!!:

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

28:19
"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

28:20
teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

…I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:24.

This is new testament and among the same lines, but now you will say that you aren't rich because you make 9 an hour even though that is very well off by worldwide standards.

plz respond to the rest of my post tho before you get into the interpretations of these verses as that's not going anywhere but the rest of my post i think we can agree on something.

dknightx, you know the bible better then me clearly, well done.

dnightx,

Awesome.

Well obviously God didn't think so!

What's more important, the banana in the tree or learning how to get the banana in the tree?

That's because your interpretation sucks!

Then why did God Create, "the rest"?

No, what you're saying is that you're not 100% sure because how could you really know what I'm 100% sure of? I mean really?

WOW! This is freakin' great entertainment!

WWWOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWW Horsey, steady now.. I can't prove to who, you? You are correct. To Me? You are incorrect. Therefore I have proven that God does exist, haven't I? Ok, moving along..

Did you see the last episode of Gilligan's Island?

So what % is it then that makes you capitalize "G"od, "E"ternal, and "H"eaven? Less then 25?

Oh, I already knew why we didn't I just wanted to argue about it.

Very well done!

I have to give credit where credit is due. And this IS impressive.