And everything i have has told me its not. In fact i find that vary sediment unloving.
Thats not why i give some Christians a bad rap. I give them a bad rap because they make the other less then them. In a way that is not good.

Course you telling me im fearful and in a shell because of your views doesn't help.

I doubt there is anyone who understands the teachings of Jesus and chooses to follow them that thinks someone else is less of any thing than they are. You can't become a Christian by building yourself up, it's the opposite actually. You have to look at yourself with uncompromising honesty until you understand that you are a sinner and will always be one until Jesus finishes the work that he started in you.

Saying no one on earth can truly love but Christians is saying non Christians are less loving.

A Christian would only know how a non-Christian loves from their experience as a non-Christian themselves. They would never take credit for the change for fear of losing it. And if they were to lose it, it would be done justly by the one who initiated the change in the first place.

I think this is half the problem. You take your perspective as a non Christian and force it on all others.


But alright. I was just telling you i find that view offensive. Take it as you will. If you want to say its my fearfulness of your genuineness leading me to that view, ok.

How is my perspective of being a non-Christian different from someone elses? I made mistakes and tried to correct them without the help of God. How is that different from any other non-Christian?

Well for one some non Christians believe they are correcting their mistakes with Gods help.

How can God do anything but judge you if you haven't been reconciled to him through the sacrifice Jesus offered for your sins?

You would have to ask them. Point is your perspective doesn't fit all.

I don't have to ask them, I already understand the argument for not accepting Jesus. You reject him because you believe you haven't sinned and are not being judged by God.

Some Jewish people believe they have sinned and are going to be judged by God but reject Jesus. See it doesn't work.


As far as me. If sin means wrong. No i have wronged and will again. If sin means going against a possible God of the universes morals. If one exists, no doubt i have done that too and more then likely will again. If he judges me for it. Thats fair i suppose. Though its like punishing a blind person for not understanding the color blue.



I would tell you why i reject Jesus and the bible but you have your mind made up based on your previous perspective as a non believer.

Some of the most enigmatic Jewish prophecies involved the birth of a Messiah who was to come and clean the sin of anyone who followed him.

You of course are free to make up your mind on this just as I was, and you will probably do what's best for you in the end.

This conversation of ours got heavy fast, how about some music? Do you like the Foo Fighters? They're probably one of the best rock bands on the planet, in my experience.

Just one last thing on non Christians not being able to truly love.

This is a view that is expressed here and there. You brought up the Gospel of Thomas. Now from some Christians perspective this makes you an apostate and not a True Christian. Meaning some may vary well say you cant truly love. Food for thought or maybe not.

I'm not too worried about it. I've talked to other Christians about the Gospel of Thomas and they just told me to be mindful of it. Their concern is that I let the spirit bring about fruit in my life, and so far the Gospel of Thomas has been compatible with this goal.

Im not so sure i am free to make up my own mind and choose to believe. I think i need evidence that is strong enough to overcome the evidence that has caused my disbelief.

I like the Foo Fighters. Though i prefer blues for my preaching music.

That's understandable.

And, oh man, was I preaching to you just now?

I thought you meant for that song to do a little preaching. If not my mistake.

It definitely hits all the right chords for it.

It's oddly offensive and arrogant. The new Christian speaks with authority about all Christians and all non-Christians. Making ridiculous generalizations about the ability to love for all Christians while claiming the majority of people on earth are incapable of the same kind of love. Imagine being 23 and feeling you can criticize the ability of the majority of people all over the world following all different faiths to truly love unless they share the same religious beliefs... That he's had for like a week?!

This nicely demonstrates everything that's scary about religion and how it horribly creates irrational unfounded basis for superiority.

Wow. This shows a profound level of ignorance about non Christians. Just wow.

I'm not criticizing anyone. I'm trying to demonstrate the short-comings of love that is experienced without the guidance of God.

Do you care to help me understand your position? I get the feeling you have something interesting to say.

I'm saying that you're deciding that all non Christians reject Jesus because they feel they haven't sinned. For that to be true the entire world has to believe your religion which is not the case. If you have a different faith you don't reject Jesus... They may not even know about Jesus, they may believe in other gods, etc. you're taking your young and naive beliefs and projecting them onto billions of different people from different cultures and beliefs.

I don't reject jesus because I think I haven't sinned. I reject your entire belief system of being nothing more then an enduring myth created by primitive man.

One cannot reject an offer they don't believe exists.

That's cool man, I get what you're saying.

I kind of agree with your last statement - are you familiar with the bible and the request Jesus has for people who follow him?

but it is a criticism. And it's a criticism you aren't capable of making. How you think you can judge the love of two people who worship through another faith or the love of two atheists is a mystery. I'm more then willing to bet you haven't studied the bond between two people in India who aren't Christian. To think that you are in a position to say that an atheist or a Muslim's love for their child is any different then a parent of a Christian is foolish and unqualified. It takes religion to make someone make such arrogant and irrational judgements.

Take comfort that there are people of other faiths who are making ridiculous judgements about you because you don't share the love of their god.

Lol

I can rationalize the difference between my love and someone else's because I have experienced both