Or show me where I say that I do not believe macro evolution happened, in any respect in the last 6 months or so.

Where did Hopey say anything about last 6 months? Instead of saying this is wrong, you could've responded that you've been proven wrong about evolution, so you changed your stance...

He said it in the first sentence. he attributed a belief to me that I do not hold.

I have said many many many many many times that I was a YEC before coming here and that I have drastically changed my beliefs. In fact I tout this as proof that I am willing to change my beliefs in the face of strong evidence.

I have a problem with the "people misunderstood" thing.. Would god allow his message to be misunderstood in such way that it would basically make his story look foolish and less believable to humans? If so then he knows this mistake is costing plenty of souls go to hell due to the ridiculous claims made by his believers long time ago...

Jib,
And you can also lie? Since the posts he quoted clearly show you didn't believe in Macro evolution even AFTER joining this site. Again, where is this "last 6 months or so" nonsense coming from? He didn't say you had those beliefs within the last 6 months. It's clear from the posts he quoted you know jack **** about evolution. This also tells me that you form opinions about scientific concepts that brilliant minds spent hundreds of years on developing without bothering to read them up.

There does seem to be (at least) one irreconcilable point of difference between the two.
In the Adam and Eve story, man is breathed into existence. We know from evolutionary theory that man gradually evolved, over millions of years.
How do we square the fact that there was no creation of man, with a literal reading of the A&E story?

I'm going to go ahead and guess that Jib never read a book on evolution, grossly misunderstood it from reading bits of it here and there and managed it fit in with the Adam and Eve story.

You are right, I did not stop that belief the day that I started posting. All of this is well known and I have referred to it many many times. I have clearly said that it was because of this forum and many of the articles etc that were linked to that I changed my views.

Again, in the very first line that I bolded. He claimed that I CURRENTLY believe these things. Don't you think that a currently held belief would fall into the last 6 months? My point is that not only that I don't currently believe that, he could not find any posts where I did believe that from the last 6 months. (probably being conservative as well)

lol, where is all of this hostility come from? Why be such a d-bag? Did Rize take over your account?

Do you know all about everything? do you currently hold a perfect set of beliefs?

When you don't know something, you say "I don't know". You don't say "frog didn't become zebra. No macro evolution". Instead, you could've said "I never read anything about evolution. So I don't know" or you could've not posted anything and read before you posted.

You could've been more humble and admitted you didn't know enough to say one way or another rather than trashing the research and findings of scientists over hundreds of years.

Here's something more recent:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/13...l#post20827225

Just about any of Jib's posts in that thread would qualify as him denying macro evolution.

Jib, I don't accept the terms of your bet, so don't go and ban me after claiming the above thread doesn't qualify.

Some people have known jack **** about evo...were even authorities like Dobzhansky and they were still theists.

Evo isn't incompatible with theism.

maybe not with theism in general(since they all claim their own versions) but with the account of Genesis for sure...

I've only been posting sporadically lately but I would be very surprised to learn that as of yesterday you support the TOE. Interesting.

Yes, plenty of theists accept the TOE in its entirety.

But plenty of theists also believe that the TOE and their religion are incompatible. NotReady would be a prime example. Jib also to a lesser extent.

The latter theists are who we are talking about.

He picks and chooses the parts of TOE that he will accept. Kind of like what he does with Christianity.

But try to call him out on it and he gets quite testy.

There are those that come close but most need to add something somewhere to make it fit. For example, they may frame it " HE used evolution" implying the the outcome couldn't have been different. TOE has variable outcomes at the drop of a hat. That's about the mildest wrinkle they add.
I'm not sure if there is a theist that accepts TOE with a period after it. There may be and I just haven't read of them.

No, you're wrong again. I don't need the argument from ignorance. Any situation possible where lying to his children was a good idea goes back to the yellow sentence above. I DON'T NEED TO KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT GOD. I only need to know that this god is supposedly omnipotent and that means there is absolutely no good reason to have lied to people you love when you could have equally as easily (omnipotence) told the truth. This is not the argument from ignorance, I don't know how many times I have to explain this to you.

Perhaps it is also evidence that you simply hold creationist views without ever having actually seriously examined them, which I also know that you have admitted to before.

ding ding ding, we have a winner

I actually believe that Jib has never read a science book cover to cover in his life, let alone a book about evolution specifically.

As of a fairly long time ago. I have no real issue with Evolution in general or common decent, nor will you find anything to the contrary for probably a year (if I was to guess of the top of my head)

lol, that's the best you can do. Can you quote one here that is an example of me denying macro-evolution?

Can't you just admit you were wrong?

lol at coming at it like "I have no real issue with evolution anymore" instead of saying "I now think evolution is true"

ahh, the creationist agenda persists

If god exists he did exactly that. Who knows why? Christians have no clue what it would be like to be god, rizeagainst has no clue, I have no clue, you have no clue.

He's doing more than that, which is what I am objecting to. He "knows" what a benevolent creator would put in his holy book.