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11-27-2012 , 08:55 PM
Sommerset,

thanks for the heads up
fricken eh. I don't know why this thread really got under my skin....
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11-27-2012 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
trying to get as much info as possible out
That's fine. But do it without plagiarizing other people's work.
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11-27-2012 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LEMONZEST
UM,
you can't get that time back. Its gone. Gone forever.
it's okay, I will make up for it by not going to weekly church
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11-27-2012 , 09:03 PM
classic lol
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11-27-2012 , 09:06 PM
I'd feel evil even arguing against nooberftw, I think he may legitimately either be a teenager, or mentally ill.
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11-27-2012 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
I dont see anything as to WHY they are doing this. I couldnt watch the whole video, but from what I could see, it was just about nwo and stuff. This in no way says why demons do what they do.
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11-27-2012 , 09:11 PM
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How do you know I don't believe in Jesus?

What evidence is there to beleive in Jesus?

Is having faith supposed to be "easier than ever"? I thought having faith was supposed to be difficult/stretching?

How do you know the bible is fact?

edit: more in relation to OP: If evolution is a myth and the information in your links is common knowledge why would the scientific community at large ignore this irrefutable data?

RLK is a Christian scientist who would seem qualified to discuss the topic (I don't have a strong science background) and he seems to be saying your sources are BS.
there is soft dinosaur tissue still living!
its real and nobody is denying that its real

Why would you need anything else?

The bible is a fact because its the evidence is just overwhelming, there isnt one prophecy that hasnt been or isnt going to be fulfilled, the earth is young, the nephilim remains are real

Just today in the news
algae isnt red
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...our-blood.html

Revelation 16:3
The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became like the blood of a corpse, and every living thing died that was in the sea

2012 Something Is Going On!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk-3MU-rc0M
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11-27-2012 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
the source of that graph was the World Health Organization....
The graph wasnt produced by the WHO it claims to have been prepared from data from the WHO. Did you type in the link they posted as a citation? It doesnt lead anywhere.

I've read two WHO reports on fluoride. They concluded that fluoridation at low levels produces health benefits.

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11-27-2012 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
but you really dont even need a study its just a fundamental problem for fluoride to be in the water
I know you dont need a study - you're happy to accept the claims of the fluoride conspiracy nutjobs without critique. Sensible people (or policy makers) do though.
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-Its extremely unethical to medicate millions of people against their will
I agree. This has nothing to do with whether it is beneficial or not.
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-people should be able to buy fluoride on their own if they want it
That's also true and equally irrelevant.
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-1 size fits all, babies and adults get the same prescription
This isnt true, but is irrelevant.
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-one of the most deadly chemicals in the world
There's arsenic in fruit juice. *gasp*
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-cant control the dose once its in the water
It can be kept below a certain concentration, as recommended by the WHO and other studies.
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- It is now acknowledged by the dental research community, however, that fluoride's primary benefit comes from topical contact with teeth, and not from ingestion as previously assumed.
If you swallow water, does it come in contact with your teeth?
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-cost taxpayers millions of dollars
Programs with health benefits arent free, but that's not a reason to not implement them.
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-There is also a warning. If you swallow more than a "pea-sized" drop of toothpaste, you'll need to contact Poison Control immediately. This indicates that swallowing more than 24mg of sodium fluoride is poisonous. That's disturbing when you consider that 1 cup of tap water also contains 24mg of sodium fluoride
This is surprising, if true. On balance it's probably false.
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-Three separate studies have shown that fluoride ACCUMULATES in the brain of a fetus if it is exposed to fluoridated water. So the effects wouldnt even show up for years and years of drinking
The consequent doesnt follow from the antecedent (which based on past experience is probably false anyhow - unless by "study" they mean "webpage produced by FAN and friends").
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Your strongest point so far.
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-europe has as low tooth decay as we do and they dont fluoridate
They're also poorer. Clearly fluoride will make everyone rich!
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-no evidence it helps your teeth but evidence it damages teeth instead
Just outright false.
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-contaminated with toxic metals and trace amounts of radioactive isotopes
Tea and coffee are radioactive.
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-By law, this waste cannot be dumped into the sea but the EPA allows it to be diluted down with our public drinking water.
You can dump tapwater in the sea.
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etc
thats not even including the brain damage and the cancer
What evidence do you have that trace amounts of fluoride cause brain damage and cancer? As above - assertions dont count.
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11-27-2012 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by neeeel
I dont see anything as to WHY they are doing this. I couldnt watch the whole video, but from what I could see, it was just about nwo and stuff. This in no way says why demons do what they do.
i suggest to read the bible

Theyre just evil beings and they wanted to rebel against god and they want to get everyone to rebel against god because they want to make a new world order

you will go to hell if you follow them.

Revelation 14:9-12
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

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11-27-2012 , 10:17 PM
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but theres dinosaur soft tis-

never mind
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11-27-2012 , 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
but theres dinosaur soft tis-
There are around 10,000 species of dinosaur still alive, so plenty of soft tissue.
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11-27-2012 , 10:34 PM
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There are around 10,000 species of dinosaur still alive, so plenty of soft tissue.
T-rex?
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11-27-2012 , 10:39 PM
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T-rex?
No more

How about?
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11-27-2012 , 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by nooberftw
but theres dinosaur soft tis-

never mind
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scienc.../dinosaur.html

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It was big news indeed last year when Schweitzer announced she had discovered blood vessels and structures that looked like whole cells inside that T. rex bone—the first observation of its kind. The finding amazed colleagues, who had never imagined that even a trace of still-soft dinosaur tissue could survive. After all, as any textbook will tell you, when an animal dies, soft tissues such as blood vessels, muscle and skin decay and disappear over time, while hard tissues like bone may gradually acquire minerals from the environment and become fossils. Schweitzer, one of the first scientists to use the tools of modern cell biology to study dinosaurs, has upended the conventional wisdom by showing that some rock-hard fossils tens of millions of years old may have remnants of soft tissues hidden away in their interiors. “The reason it hasn’t been discovered before is no right-thinking paleontologist would do what Mary did with her specimens. We don’t go to all this effort to dig this stuff out of the ground to then destroy it in acid,” says dinosaur paleontologist Thomas Holtz Jr., of the University of Maryland. “It’s great science.” The observations could shed new light on how dinosaurs evolved and how their muscles and blood vessels worked. And the new findings might help settle a long-running debate about whether dinosaurs were warmblooded, coldblooded—or both.

Meanwhile, Schweitzer’s research has been hijacked by “young earth” creationists, who insist that dinosaur soft tissue couldn’t possibly survive millions of years. They claim her discoveries support their belief, based on their interpretation of Genesis, that the earth is only a few thousand years old. Of course, it’s not unusual for a paleontologist to differ with creationists. But when creationists misrepresent Schweitzer’s data, she takes it personally: she describes herself as “a complete and total Christian.” On a shelf in her office is a plaque bearing an Old Testament verse: “For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.”



Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scienc...#ixzz2DTwKGcmt
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11-27-2012 , 10:54 PM
but it really cant survive tens of millions of years

they do that in literally every article

"there goes those crazy old conspiracy theorists again!"
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11-27-2012 , 10:59 PM
If the shoe fits...
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11-27-2012 , 11:03 PM
That is an assumption which you want to be true because it favors your preferred conclusion of a young earth.

There is no doubt the bones are over 6000 years old. That leaves two possible conclusions. First is that this is not actual soft tissue (no no big deal). Second, it means soft tissue could be preserved for much longer that we expected it could (paradigm shifting OMFG Hotcakes). Either way, science will not say what must be, and thereby formulate a scenario. It will (as it always has) evaluate what is and develop and explanation through empirical process, subject to severe scrutiny and revision pending additional empirical evidence.
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11-27-2012 , 11:15 PM
waiiiiiiiiiit a minute
you accuse me of doing this
"That is an assumption which you want to be true because it favors your preferred conclusion of a young earth. "

but then you say
"it means soft tissue could be preserved for much longer that we expected it could"

you see where im going
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11-27-2012 , 11:18 PM
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It will (as it always has) evaluate what is and develop and explanation through empirical process, subject to severe scrutiny and revision pending additional empirical evidence.
big words like this convince a lot of people and they like it because they can just shift the burden over to some collective

but this objective scrutiny doesnt really happen

they are going to teach whatever they want in schools even if its all blatant lies , see: dr hovind video
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11-27-2012 , 11:36 PM
You're right. Creationists not understanding the meaning of 'empirical' is a major source of the problem. They don't understand (or won't understand) the scientific method, so they shift the burden over to some collective to do their thinking for them. Polly want a cracker?

I'm sure this happens with a lot of people, but you won't find many of them around here. IME, most of the regular posters ITF are of the 'proof or GTFO' mindset, and you had better do your research and understand what's going on before you spout nonsense.

The outright lies of creationists have been refuted over and over and over again. At this point, it would be refreshing for them to actually come up with a new idea, as that would at least let the community at large know they're capable of original thought.
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11-27-2012 , 11:41 PM
I enjoy reading opinions from ******o creationists like yourself.

Hi, I'm a first year Geologist.

And you are wrong.
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11-27-2012 , 11:53 PM
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At this point, it would be refreshing for them to actually come up with a new idea
thats why i posted the websites
theres articles every day

the only idea that evolution has got is carbon dating which it doesnt even have
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11-27-2012 , 11:54 PM
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And you are wrong.
go on
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