Well it is a bit different, because it was the Constitution of it's day. That's why it is significant that the founding fathers chose to ignore it when writing the Constitution.

This isn't what is being argued at all, sparky.

There is a difference between saying a nation has "Christian roots," which is broad enough that I'd consider it not just true but blatantly obvious, and saying that the country was founded upon Christianity as a governing principle.

So anyway, repeat of question - why do you think that the Founders decided it would not be a good idea to directly state that America's government should be based upon Christian principles?

Forge as in hammer out, its a Figure of speech. Like a metal smith would forge a sword out of metal. Sorry for the usage of an unfamiliar word.

This is basically what I am saying. When we're talking about the founding basis of our government, we're talking about the Constitution.

Ya I deleted that **** b/c I am high so **** you Outlaw wooooooooo (your post still made no sense)

Also answer the question I just re-posed to Splenda plz.

WOW! There are extremely deep Christian roots in the US, and no one has said any differently. But the US was not founded on Christianity, and has never recognized Christianity as its official religion. In fact, the founding document does quite the opposite. This whole argument started because Pletho stated quite clearly that if you aren't a Christian you should GTFO of the US, which is stupid and completely contradictory to what all of the founding fathers believed.

Left you speechless, huh?

So I get a picture? That's your argument?

You are contradicting yourselves in this thread.

How's that for delusional? How delusional was I when I spotted that?

LOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

You completely missed the basis of the argument, and misinterpreted every single post in the thread. Thus the picture.

If this forum was all serious religious debate and no Splendour I don't think anyone would come.

Yes the GTFO is a bit overboard. The U.S. is the land of the free but I think his concern is terrorism infiltrating. Didn't he compare it to Australia where they said No to Sharia Law?

I don't have as much patience as these two.

Speaking of contradictions, is pletho really arguing that a bunch of religious people left Europe because they felt they were being persecuted, and promptly set up a government which endorsed religious persecution?

No I got the pic finally in this thread.

The atheists on here will seize any argument to uphold atheism even if those arguments contradict each other.

Clearly theists are just delusional. We have no deeply rooted reasons for our delusions we just pluck them from thin air.

He quoted that, and he may have tried to compare what he said to that, but it's not remotely similar. The quote that started it all was him saying that the religious freedom the Pilgrims sought and our founding fathers protected in the Constitution was the freedom to worship their way or STFU.

Please tell me how I have contradicted myself at all. Preemptively, "The United States was not founded as a Christian nation" and "There is a deep-rooted history of Christianity in the U.S." are not contradictory at all.

So are you like...not reading the posts we are making?

Yes, actually

Never mind you guys are a waste of my time. Enjoy your unbelief.Too many idiots on this forum for me to cope with at one time. Yes I meant idiots and meant to sound childish.

I mean I am only 14 so what do you expect.



Pletho

To be fair, Pletho also said that Obama is not black because he is Muslim. The guy's got his thinking cap on.

Pletho, they didn't leave Christianity out though. They made sure to make it clear that under no circumstances can any law be passed that recognizes Christianity as superior to any other belief system. They also made it exceedingly clear in legislatively ratified and Presidential-endorsed documents that the nation was not, in fact, founded to spread or endorse Christianity. You can try all you want but you can't rewrite history that is less than 250 years old and maintain any sort of credibility.

Edit: Totally agree (because it's documented fact) that most of our founders and early lawmakers were Christians. It would have been very easy for them to nationalize the religion, and yet they not only declined to do so but made it impossible for anyone else to do so without repealing the 1st amendment.

Pletho is actually making a reality and historically based observation.

The people of the 1700s didn't live in a world of non-Christian groups. They lived in a world of Catholicism and Protestant sects. The Indians were heathens to them.

They probably never thought it was practical to anticipate non-Christian groups. And yes Christians evangelicize.

The U.S. was geographically isolated by its oceans.

Did you ever take a US history class?

So they never thought to include something reinforcing that the government should revolve around Christian principles because they never thought it was an option. This is plainly false, but...

EVEN IF THIS WAS TRUE IT CLEARLY INDICATES THAT THE CONSTITUTION LAYS NO BASIS FOR GOVERNING BASED UPON CHRISTIAN PRINCIPLES.

I used caps because I feel like you don't read posts otherwise.

This is the contradiction in the thread Claudius Galenus. You didn't make it. Autocratic did.

People make glaring omissions when there's no practical reason to provide against something else happening. In the 1700s there were no Non-Christians around other than the Indians.

You can't have it both ways.

If we're delusional on a massive basis that is rooted in culture then there is a reason. A glaring omission by the founding fathers is natural. In their world Christianity was unchallengeable. I don't care if a few of them were atheists in the closets...They were in the closets because it was UNTHINKABLE to challenge the simple precepts of Jesus Christ whatever your sect was....