Racism, discrimination, segregation, and bigotry...

Are these qualities unique to your version of Christianity, or can anyone claim them?

There should be an RGT for adults.

Racism? I am no racist. Religionism definatley. Muslims are and can be black, white, green and yellow.

Pletho

God calls it like He sees it in His word I just agree with Him, so take it up with him. There are lots of divisions in the word. Unbeliever vs Believers. Israelites vs. all the evil "its" All kinds of divisions. Oil and water has and nver will mix, there will never be peace on this earth until Christ returns, the prince of peace then all will be set straight.

Ah yes, the prince of "peace":

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. "

I think what you meant to say is, there will never be peace on this earth until Christ returns and violently destroys and kills all non-believers, and raptures the rest to the clouds.

lol. This forum is crazy. I love it!

FYP so I'm supposed to feel better about you as a person?

All we need is Splendour coming to Pletho's defence and this thread will be complete.

Everyone knows the devil can quote scripture when it suits his purpose. GAME OVER, you lose, LOL.

(that is my favorite religious debate tactic)

Actually I meant exactly what I said. You do not understand or know the scriptures. He comes back more times than you realize. For his saints then with his saints, then Peace will happen later after as you say all the bu--sh-t is cleaned up.

Pletho

I could care less HOW you feel about me as a person. Your opinion really does not matter in the big scheme of things. You wont even exist after this physical life unfortunately. Unless you change your beliefs. So in the long run what you think about me is irrelevant.

Pletho

i tried googling "dubiousness of cross-cultural iq testing" for my rebuttal but i only succeeded in drooling all over my keyboard so you win

I think the problem is that you enunciate it as "I could CARE less". Try "I COULD care less", then you will realize your error.


That's a new one.

Shut up peanut gallery! LOL Unless you have something that actually is intelligent to say about anything! LOL

Pletho

Is Christ going to send everyone to hell that doesn't agree with you? Or is everyone going to be like, woah, there's Jesus, I guess I was wrong, better get to converting... Dammit, I wish I wasn't raised in place where everyone grew up (insert religion or non-religion here) and refuted Christianity! BTW you forgot to capitalize 'Him' at least once, blasphemer.

I capitilize God not the pronoun him for Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is not God.

So you believe that heaven is filled with bigots just like yourself? Sounds like a swell place.

And LOL at you claiming that you're not The_Outlaw. If you aren't him, you're his long-lost identical twin.

http://hypnosis.home.netcom.com/iq_vs_religiosity.htm

sticky plz.

Again who is The_Outlaw? I will assume he was disliked or at least said some things that most don't agree with. I doubt his views are based on the reasons I base mine.

Here is a little about me. I am not a racist first of all in no shape manner or form as a matter of fact my uncle and nephew are both black. I hold no racist views toward any race, creed or color.

I do however strongly disagree with any religion that is contrary to what the bible teaches such as Muslim, or Hinduism, or any other thing you can come up with. As for the people in those religions they are people and can change but their religion is not truth or based on the living God.

I do not mind offending anyone if it is neccessary to get my point accross.

I am as far from politically correct as you can probably get, mainly because all political correctness does is hide evil and not allow freedom of speech.

I honestly think that the majority of the posters who are on this forum that are unbelievers are probably pretty good people as far as people go but that their beliefs in the catagory of the sprirtual realm and God are way off.

I know many homosexuals that are close, meaning a few related via extended family and some that are work related friends. I am courteous to them and do not express my views unless they open the door and then still hold the abrasiveness back for their hearts. I would not hesitate to tell them though if they wanted to know.

I love this country the USA with a deep passion and hate to see it infiltrated by people who do not know or believe in what this country stands for. It was founded by those who wanted freedom from religious tyranny and those who wanted to worship God freely. I am talking about the living God and not false gods.

Thats why this country has and is great and the only reason it hasn't fallen yet. Eventually it may and will if enough people including the Christians turn from the true living God and worship flase gods, sex, money and whatever else.

Pletho

As you know Pletho I do not often respond to your posts and come out against what you say even though we disagree on certain things.

I think that you are trying to seek God and are sincere about believing. But this statement of yours is very much misplaced imo and feel that you should take a look at what you are saying here.

This country is not God's kingdom but a kingdom of this world, of which we know that God's kingdom is not.

This country does not stand for anything but this world and the ruler of this world. Nationalism was one of the down falls of the Israelites. Please do not fall into that same trap. You cannot serve two masters. You cannot have allegiance to both God and country.

Just something for you to think about.

North America was settled by these people, but these reasons had little to do with the revolution and founding of America.

OK so did they come here to escape Europe's religious tyranny or to establish a new one?

History is filled with examples of what happens when a country/kingdom embraces one religion and frowns on others, and our founding fathers (even the Christians among them) recognized this and took steps to prevent it from happening here.

I am amazed that someone who is routinely condescending to other posters for saying silly things would put those two sentences next to each other.

The freedoms in this country have allowed for many Christians to live a Godly life and still continues to do so. We can worship God without hassel from the goverment for the most part in anyway we choose. They are many other reasons to love this country. I do not agree with everything done by the goverment but for the most part the constitution of the United States of America allows for Christianity to florish. Sure others may come here but they need to respect the people of our country and the beliefs that forged this nation. Aside from some of the racist things that have happened in the past.

If they do not want to respect God, such as in the God we Trust. Then they can just move on to another place.

Pletho

I like this guys stand:

We need a Leader Like This One!

Prime Minister John Howard - Australia

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. English is our common language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society .Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we a ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.'

'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

Not a single founding father wanted this on the money FWIW, everything that mentions god in an official capacity in America was added well after the country was founded and the founding fathers were all dead. Except that one thing about how the State should not recognize any specific religion when making policy.

Edit: Here is an interesting line from article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, which was ratified by the senate and signed by George Washington:

Why dont you post the constitution while you are at it!

The law of the land!

Taken from http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayflower_Compact


In the name of God, Amen. We whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, etc.
Having undertaken, for the Glory of God and advancement of the Christian Faith and Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the First Colony in the Northern Parts of Virginia, do by these presents solemnly and mutually in the presence of God and one of another, Covenant and Combine ourselves together into a Civil Body Politic, for our better ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute and frame such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions and Offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the Colony, unto which we promise all due submission and obedience. In witness whereof we have hereunder subscribed our names at Cape Cod, the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France and Ireland the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth. Anno Domini 1620.

Taken from http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ysburg_Address


Four score and seven years ago our fore fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation, so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.


But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate—we can not consecrate—we can not hallow—this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government : of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.


Taken from http://http://www.moseshand.com/studies/reagan.htm


Of the many influences that have shaped the United States of America into a distinctive Nation and people, none may be said to be more fundamental and enduring than the Bible.

Deep religious beliefs stemming from the Old and New Testaments of the Bible inspired many of the early settlers of our country, providing them with the strength, character, convictions, and faith necessary to withstand great hardship and danger in this new and rugged land. These shared beliefs helped forge a sense of common purpose among the widely dispersed colonies -- a sense of community which laid the foundation for the spirit of nationhood that was to develop in later decades.

The Bible and its teachings helped form the basis for the Founding Fathers' abiding belief in the inalienable rights of the individual, rights which they found implicit in the Bible's teachings of the inherent worth and dignity of each individual. This same sense of man patterned the convictions of those who framed the English system of law inherited by our own Nation, as well as the ideals set forth in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.

For centuries the Bible's emphasis on compassion and love for our neighbor has inspired institutional and governmental expressions of benevolent outreach such as private charity, the establishment of schools and hospitals, and the abolition of slavery.

Many of our greatest national leaders -- among them Presidents Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, and Wilson -- have recognized the influence of the Bible on our country's development. The plainspoken Andrew Jackson referred to the Bible as no less than ``the rock on which our Republic rests.'' Today our beloved America and, indeed, the world, is facing a decade of enormous challenge. As a people we may well be tested as we have seldom, if ever, been tested before. We will need resources of spirit even more than resources of technology, education, and armaments. There could be no more fitting moment than now to reflect with gratitude, humility, and urgency upon the wisdom revealed to us in the writing that Abraham Lincoln called ``the best gift God has ever given to man . . . But for it we could not know right from wrong.''

The Congress of the United States, in recognition of the unique contribution of the Bible in shaping the history and character of this Nation, and so many of its citizens, has by Senate Joint Resolution 165 authorized and requested the President to designate the year 1983 as the ``Year of the Bible.''

Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, in recognition of the contributions and influence of the Bible on our Republic and our people, do hereby proclaim 1983 the Year of the Bible in the United States. I encourage all citizens, each in his or her own way, to reexamine and rediscover its priceless and timeless message.

In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this third day of February, in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-three, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and seventh.

Ronald Reagan

[Filed with the Office of the Federal Register, 10:10 a.m., February 3, 1983]

Pletho

OK, Ill start with the 1st amendment: