Oh thats really sexy. You need to find Triple Spin! Aria is a great place for it, even for 5c credits

I told you those "before" pics were bad luck.

I remember you mentioning tipping the slot people early in the thread. I would imagine you're not tipping on runs like this. Even small tips would eat substantially into your net with as many handpays as you had.

Sick comeback. Keep killing it!

so the more money you win the less you should tip? seems like a poor assumption

Sick thread leon.

I'll begoing to Vegas in two days. I need to hit these machines!! Where can I find them in the Wynn?

It's purely to make things easier on me. Remember the 4 to a royal draw last day in Sept that came in for 12k- I took a before pic there. Long run it doesn't make a difference, but it's sure less tilt-inducing to take a bunch of before's when I'm in a cold patch.

I tip the same regardless of how I'm doing. That evens out as well. Lots of hits = lots of tipping opportunities. No hits = no tips. Not going to change my life policy of not being a dick or nit just bc I'm hitting. However, I have scaled things back a bit and am only tipping 10$ on anything up to ~4k. 4k used to be a 20$ tip. Now 20s are only for 6k and above. I do recognize a lot of money was walking out the door bc of overtipping. So I'll always tip, the base amount is just a bit smaller now.

There are only a few full pay machines I know of, 1$ denom is the smallest on offer. A few spin poker machines and two old school "three five ten play" machines, all close to the Red8 restaurant. Two All Star II machines in the hi limit room. Check the paytables, for TDB fullpay is 9/7. When you hit ask to see a host and tell them Leon/this thread sent you

So glad that you quoted a redic long post for your own convenience but managed to inconvenience everyone else in the thread.
-BD

Thanks for the quick answer leon, I can't wait to shout out your name and see reactions. I'll be able to assess if the legend is real or not!

Anything I should know strat wise before jumping into VP?

Cheers!

My apologies...seriously, not being sarcastic...not my intention


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Anything I should know strat wise before jumping into VP?

See wizardofodds.com

what a finish to day 3!

Day 4

Supposed to leave today. I need to be headed to the airport at 1pm, and have nothing on the agenda but last day's gambling and hopefully a final big score. These days are always bittersweet for me, and luckily the last few trips I've either been in "preserve a win" mode, or at least not so stuck that I can play freely and have some fun.

Of course, the flip side of that is balancing the desire to play with the knowledge that staying in bed is probably the smartest move. When I'm well and truly stuck (or worse, trip busto), I've never needed the motivation to avoid play- it's been a non-issue. But this final AM, much like the last few, there's that side of me that really wants to go, battling the side that is tired and knows it should stay in bed. I guess I'm just rambling. Anyways... I manage to sleep in until about 8am, then order some room service for later, and head down for a session.

I have one goal- DON'T lose too much money back. This pre-breakfast session is terrible and I hit nothing. I also lose more than I probably should have, I think 3k bc I know I've earned enough points for an additional 1k free credit- I'm waiting for my host to credit my account. So in my mind I've got "money to burn", and burn it I do. Ugh.



Omelette, bacon, standard.

After breakfast, head back downstairs.



Free credit, as promised.

I turn this



into this



For essentially 90% payback. Makes sense given I didn't make any monsters during that time.

Spin is cold and I think I'm down about 6k for the day. I was planning on leaving min 10k winner, and I've reached that point. It's only 9:30 or so and theoretically I have about 2 hrs left in this session before I have to check out, then potentially another hour or so before I head off to the airport. Not good. So of course I keep going, and soon after see-



which came from-



This is really the definition of running well. Every time I've gotten stuck, I've gotten myself out of a hole. Every time I've needed a big hand, it finds a way to come in. Case in point, I'm dealt this shortly after-



Result-


So yeah, what I meant to say is I'm running well, but only to the point where I'm THINK I'm invincible. I swear to god when that 4 to a royal showed up, I was so convinced I was going to bink. After all, I'm on a sun run, right? Every trip the last few times has ended in a big way. This is a dangerous place to be in folks, let me tell you. I proceeded to play off that 4k recovery from the aces in no time at all, convinced the big one was right around the corner. Bleh. Didn't implode or anything (eg, step up to 20 lines, step up credits etc), just plain old kept hammering buttons until I gave back more than I should have.

Pretty soon after, I get dealt regular trips, draw, and



which must mean I hit on the center line AGAIN!



Yep.

I recognize even this is a form of running well- that 6 could come in on any other spot and it's not going to be worth as much. Unfortunately I'm continuing to lose faster than I'm hitting, at some point I got stuck 7, then 8k. Then, I get my SEVENTH dealt quads of trip! Is this the now standard last day monster???



Nope.



I'm either really lucky, or just "lucky" to be getting used to this value as well.

Head upstairs, quickly pack, etc. Drop bags off at valet, the start the actual final session for this trip.



Trips into quads, on the center line, AGAIN!



Yep!

Unfortunately, that's the only hit this last session. It actually was really cold otherwise, and I believe I lost another 3k or so. All I know when the dust cleared I lost 10k this final day, which is pretty ugly. I'm going home winner, just not nearly as big as it could have been. I grab a cab to the airport and another trip is in the books!

Day 4 result- -10k
Overall- +6k

Thoughts-

- Such a crazy trip. The swings just seem to keep getting bigger and bigger. Some of this is correlated with increase in credits, some with increase in lines, but honestly not much. I think I played larger credits overall more last trip than this one. Some of the swingy-ness is definitely due to the all or none nature of spin- yeah, I made a ton of monsters this trip, but in retrospect there were long cold patches too.
- my "usual" were SO COLD this time. Almost intolerably so. Quite honestly I think spin is going to become my new usual. One thing I've realized looking back on the coldness of the usual machines, coupled with the huge saves at spin- it's REALLY hard to make a monster score at my usual. Even having premium quads come in alone won't do it. One either needs them to come in WAY MORE than average, or be dealt a monster. That's it. Contrast that with spin- a monster hit is simply "just" one premium quad coming in away. You don't need it to come in 3 separate times- once will do. Conclusion -->
- Spin is fun, and I think next trip I've become primarily a spin player. I'm sure I'll revisit my usual from time to time, but it won't be the default.
- EVERY day time session was terrible. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Every nighttime session was amazing.
- I NEED to do better about doing other things on solo trips simply to slow the bleeding down. Even the ability to just go to the room, watch a movie, take a nap etc isn't enough. I simply don't have the discipline to reliably get up and take a break in the middle of a cold patch. The fact is, I got lucky to make a monster recovery EVERY time this trip- but we know the odds are, that recovery WON'T come. When things are cold I can lose money ridiculously quickly. I'm ok when I have my family in town with me- there are enough other things to do that those natural pauses are there. It's when I'm by myself that I'm a real threat. I dunno, maybe I'll set an alarm or something next trip- have it go off every 1/2 hr or something as an additional reminder to go upstairs, go to the spa, play Walking Dead, hell play anything else other than VP. We'll see if it works.

Conclusion- sunrun continues. Really fun trip in retrospect; I'm actually gambled out for a bit. Haven't set up my next trip yet and have no idea when it's going to be. I'm actually a little scared to go back to Vegas- I'm worried about a cold trip in the setting of spin being my new game. If that's the case, I'm going to lose 15k or more, easy. I'm scared of that happening, which is actually keeping me disciplined (for now).

Anyways, thanks for reading!

Too bad your wife wasn't with you this trip. She would've had at least 6-10K more for her garden.

Yes, exactly. When other people/non-gambling concerns are more present, chance of a meaningful win lock up goes way up.

Any chance you'll be back in Vegas Nov 17-23 Leon? Staying at The Wynn for the first time ever since they sent me a comp package and some free play.

Anything I should know about The Wynn? Best food spots (I'm not a fancy eater), bars, VP banks (.25/.50/1 Player).

Zero chance; have family plans and work that I can't get out of then.

Things to know? Despite how often I stay, I'm certainly no expert. Here's my take-
- all expensive dining options are good, eg Lakeside, SW Steakhouse, etc
- all cheaper options are basically decent (eg Red8, Allegro)
- EXCEPTIONS- I think Jardin and Wing Lei are terrible, avoid
- no matter where you eat, it's going to be overpriced- it's the Wynn

I know nothing about the bars, etc.

VP-wise- you're not going to find any full pay (good) options for less than 1$ credits. However, the Wynn does have a few FP machines which is really unusual for the strip. Any machine that has 50c or lower as a denom option I can tell you off the bat isn't full pay, so if that's what you're looking for just keep walking.

I'm sure you didn't mean this as such, but that's actually something to think about, for all of us.

I'm always amazed at how easily I keep things in check when the wife is with me (which isn't often), but how easily things can go sideways when I'm alone.

Oh no, I meant it semi-literally. I have no problem being honest about it- I am more of a threat to my bankroll when I am by myself for sure. Obviously. Just like one can be more of a threat if they have 1k on them rather than 100. Clearly I've understood this on some level for a long time- it's why I try to do whatever I can do limit losing sessions, do other things, etc. It's why all of us as poker (or former) players know that we're supposed to pack it in if we go on tilt- we're all threats to ourselves at that point. It's just human nature.

It's just more relevant as my roll gets bigger- it's just so easy to say "well, I've got plenty more" or "I've already locked up 20k with the wife", or worse still "I could lose every cent of this and my life wouldn't be any different". Theoretically true, but that's how you prematurely busto a roll. That's what I meant.

Question Leon; from what I remember reading, you just said you went to the Spa and showed some pictures of the common areas there. Did you also get a massage? If massages are comped; it seems like a good reason to take a break to go relax some. idk; just an idea.

Saw this from Jen Tilly this morning, pretty sick:

https://twitter.com/JenniferTilly/st...12146768973824

https://twitter.com/JenniferTilly/st...12146768973824

Although $200 bet per spin.

Looks like she won back her 10k Poker After Dark buy in.

It'd be comped to a point- my wife exceeded our limit on a trip a while ago going nuts at the spa. I'm not a huge massage fan and the prices at the Wynn are ridiculous. Still gotta tip, too. I'll probably just use the spa itself (included with the reservation).

Meh. Not TDB. What a waste

unless i’m doing idiot math, that’s the same as winning $255 at single line quarters... guess i’d be stoked for that

$100 w/o kicker, $200 w/ kicker on single line quarters DDB.

thanks to this thread (and TF's) vp.com has seen a lot of time killed

100 play tdb, dealt 4 to a royal hits 6(!) times!!