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09-06-2018 , 09:40 PM
How many times will I get POCKET ACES?
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09-06-2018 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ICuRaRook
How many times will I get POCKET ACES?
Nice to see you playing some cash. I wonder what the big blind's range is in that spot when he 3bets to $32.
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09-07-2018 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
You will continue to get away with these leaks because you are playing in super soft 2/5 games where the vast majority of the players have these leaks and worse. There is not a winning reg in that casino that opens wider than me, but opening QJo from UTG, particularly when there is a player to your left that "raises everything", is just bad poker.
Obviously, I don't do this very often, but that doesn't mean NEVER. And I am a consistent winner in the cash games at WinStar. You can't look at one hand and say that you know how a player plays...or even on my vlog to see 6-8 hands a week that I play an think you know my game is simply wrong. All of these hands are "moment in time". I guess over many vlogs you might get a sense of how I play, but certainly not by only a few hands. Didn't you say we played 5/10 together at WinStar when I was first moving up to that game?

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
what was your position and stack size
UTG with 700 in a 2/5 game.

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Originally Posted by Steve00007
What are the worst hands you would call with in that spot getting 5:1 odds? I won’t try to argue with you on this; just curious.
If I am opening to 20, and then am getting nearly 5:1 with great implied odds, I am doing this with all hands that I will open this way. I was close to the bottom of my range in this hand. The very bottom may have been JT. I would also call with any pair to set mine.
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09-07-2018 , 02:09 AM
Top of range is AA. Bottom of range is also AA lol.
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Originally Posted by Dream Crusher
Nice to see you playing some cash. I wonder what the big blind's range is in that spot when he 3bets to $32.
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09-07-2018 , 02:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wahbs
Obviously, I don't do this very often, but that doesn't mean NEVER. And I am a consistent winner in the cash games at WinStar. You can't look at one hand and say that you know how a player plays...or even on my vlog to see 6-8 hands a week that I play an think you know my game is simply wrong. All of these hands are "moment in time". I guess over many vlogs you might get a sense of how I play, but certainly not by only a few hands. Didn't you say we played 5/10 together at WinStar when I was first moving up to that game?
I'm not saying you aren't a winning player. All I'm saying is that you have leaks which are apparent in this hand. That shouldn't be any huge revelation. Nearly every 2/5 grinder in the country has major leaks and weaknesses in their game. That's why they are grinding 2/5. Most 5/T grinders have leaks too. I have major leaks in my game which I need to continue to work on. One of those leaks is that I open too many hands from UTG. You aren't necessarily opening too many hands from UTG, but it is clear that you are opening the wrong hands.

We only played one time for a few hours at 5/T a few months ago. Nothing eventful happened. You played very few hands which I mentioned was the correct approach to the game given the lineup.

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Originally Posted by rawdawg_7
Top of range is AA. Bottom of range is also AA lol.
The humor that can be found in the absurdity that is live low stakes never gets old.
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09-07-2018 , 03:51 AM
QJo from utg is probably slightly -ev.

I’ve opened with worse.
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09-07-2018 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
QJo from utg is probably slightly -ev.

I’ve opened with worse.
With ‘someone who always raises’ on your left?
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09-07-2018 , 10:17 AM
you can always limp a wider range utg if the player to your left is raising everything. then just limp/call or limp/fold closing action.

i would agree that going 20 utg with this hand and in this game is prob burning a little bit of money. calling the 150 five ways is burning slightly more money.
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09-07-2018 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by wahbs
UTG with 700 in a 2/5 game.
ok now I can understand all the constructive criticism Ha!
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09-07-2018 , 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by wahbs



UTG with 700 in a 2/5 game.

You say $570 in the video.

Why don't you run this hand by your new study partner and see what he thinks?
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09-07-2018 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewNeeme
QJo from utg is probably slightly -ev.

I’ve opened with worse.
Of course it is, and of course you have. As part of the meta game, I think you better be opening SOME "less than premium" hands, even under the gun. Anybody ever raise 78s? Ever think your ahead? Of course you are not ahead, but you can certainly represent that you are ahead after the flop. Little did I know it would go 5 ways!

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Originally Posted by Clayton
you can always limp a wider range utg if the player to your left is raising everything. then just limp/call or limp/fold closing action.

i would agree that going 20 utg with this hand and in this game is prob burning a little bit of money. calling the 150 five ways is burning slightly more money.
While I don't generally employ a limping strategy, I would agree that you can do this against a player of this type. Maybe a poor choice of words by me, "raising everything"...he had a high 3-bet frequency may be better.

I think my point is closing the action and calling 130 with 620 already in the pot, which is nearly 5:1, is something I will do every time. How much better do you have to get to call? 8:1? 10:1? The implied odds were even better, knowing that the money was going in the pot after the flop. If I miss I simply fold and lose $130, but if I hit, I could win a big one!

Did I get fortunate to flop Broadway and win $1900? Yes! But isn't that the beauty of variance? SOMETIMES you are gonna flop huge even when being behind preflop.
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09-07-2018 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by AngusThermopyle
You say $570 in the video.

Why don't you run this hand by your new study partner and see what he thinks?
You are correct...I was thinking 570 left AFTER the flop, but I was incorrect. I actually had 590 to start...150 prefop, 440 after the flop. Thanks!
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09-07-2018 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by wahbs

While I don't generally employ a limping strategy, I would agree that you can do this against a player of this type. Maybe a poor choice of words by me, "raising everything"...he had a high 3-bet frequency may be better.
so i didn't watch enough of the video to get an idea of his vpip/pfr, what would you guesstimate it was?

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Originally Posted by wahbs
I think my point is closing the action and calling 130 with 620 already in the pot, which is nearly 5:1, is something I will do every time. How much better do you have to get to call? 8:1? 10:1? The implied odds were even better, knowing that the money was going in the pot after the flop. If I miss I simply fold and lose $130, but if I hit, I could win a big one!
i would sorta disagree with the implied odds bit, i think you're underestimating how many times you flop top pair (or even a pair which you'd need when you have <1SPR on flop) and you're behind due to a) kicker issues (for example BTN had ATo and could easily have KJ/KQ/AQ?) or b) the primary villain has a big hand and you die on J42 flops etc
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09-07-2018 , 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
so i didn't watch enough of the video to get an idea of his vpip/pfr, what would you guesstimate it was?



i would sorta disagree with the implied odds bit, i think you're underestimating how many times you flop top pair (or even a pair which you'd need when you have <1SPR on flop) and you're behind due to a) kicker issues (for example BTN had ATo and could easily have KJ/KQ/AQ?) or b) the primary villain has a big hand and you die on J42 flops etc
He was probably 40% VPIP and of that 40%, we would 3 bet on maybe 33% of those (13% 3-bet?).

I agree that there are some reverse implied odds that are certainly negative. I guess I trust myself to lay down a hand when I think I am beat. I would have continued with:
2 pair
set
straight
open ended straight draw
gutter ball and a pair
flush draw with Q or J being the top (pretty rare)
I would have had potentially a tough decision if if came Q high with some back doors.
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09-07-2018 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wahbs
He was probably 40% VPIP and of that 40%, we would 3 bet on maybe 33% of those (13% 3-bet?).
given this assessment i will say that preflop is likely a fold, with limping and raising small EV losers... and the call of the $150 is massive spew. player of this type using this sizing means your hand is abso crushed vs his range and you arent getting anywhere close to proper odds. i think it becomes borderline if the player is 80% vpip, 50% vpr, wild megagamb00L which is where i'd consider tossing in some limps just to see if it goes $20 sevenways or something and you can outflop and get him HU...
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09-07-2018 , 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Clayton
given this assessment i will say that preflop is likely a fold, with limping and raising small EV losers... and the call of the $150 is massive spew. player of this type using this sizing means your hand is abso crushed vs his range and you arent getting anywhere close to proper odds. i think it becomes borderline if the player is 80% vpip, 50% vpr, wild megagamb00L which is where i'd consider tossing in some limps just to see if it goes $20 sevenways or something and you can outflop and get him HU...
Completely disagree! Even if "crushed" is 20% equity good enough to call? OF COURSE it is!! We will just have to agree to disagree! If I am getting 5:1 on a hand with 2 broadway cards, I am gonna see the flop! If you think that is spewy, that is fine.
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09-07-2018 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by wahbs
Completely disagree! Even if "crushed" is 20% equity good enough to call? OF COURSE it is!! We will just have to agree to disagree! If I am getting 5:1 on a hand with 2 broadway cards, I am gonna see the flop! If you think that is spewy, that is fine.
so i dont claim to be knowledgable in this area anymore but i'll give this a try

first, i think you have less than the 20% you need



second, thats just for the equity preflop hot/cold assuming you get to see 5 cards, which you won't always be able to do because you're gonna be folding the flops you miss. you also have to factor the additional money that goes in postflop. if we're gonna be results oriented, in this exact hand if the flop came Q-hi or J-hi you'd still be getting it in real bad because the guy had KK. i'm being liberal with my TT+/AK, i think it could easily be KK+/AK esp since you have QJ so you block QQ/JJ a little bit.

i'll let the people who play for a living who are better than me elaborate, but i feel pretty strongly that the call is one that burns money. i dont know anything about you or your game, just figured i'd chime in on this hand. gl in your future poker/youtube adventures
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09-07-2018 , 12:18 PM
qjo is bad. I will also agree to disagree. If you poast that up in the llsnl forum (there are some highly skilled pros over there) nearly all will also agree to disagree. But u do u mang
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09-07-2018 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mitsi
With ‘someone who always raises’ on your left?
You mean always 3-betting? I doubt that was the case. Usually those types will fold or just call if they are not the first one to raise.
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09-07-2018 , 01:59 PM
whabs feeding the trolls lol

he'll learn
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09-07-2018 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bgy333
whabs feeding the trolls lol

he'll learn
Ha! I guess bashing Trooper and this kind of "debate" keeps this thread going! Happy to be of service!
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09-07-2018 , 02:25 PM
So when are you hosting that 2p2 pool party/MTT Ha!
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09-07-2018 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
So when are you hosting that 2p2 pool party/MTT Ha!
NOBODY wants to see THAT!!
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09-07-2018 , 02:52 PM
it means multi table tournament
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09-07-2018 , 03:02 PM
I haven't watched a Trooper vlog in about a month.

If anyone in this thread still watches him, is there anything new or exciting concerning him or the usual SOSDD?
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