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Old 03-19-2012, 09:37 AM   #376
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Re: I moved to vegas to play poker blah blah blah follow me thread

My winrate is nowhere near op's, but I'm stacking off in both spots. The second hand you may be up against a set, but I see plenty of bad 1-2 players going nuts with AJ or worse here.
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Old 03-19-2012, 10:21 AM   #377
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Both hands are fairly trivial stackoffs at 1-2 live. Hand 1 the 30 sec pause then shove is almost always a perception of strength but I still expect a random 1-2 donk to be stacking off almost any king here. If he has a set then oh well. Hand 2 his line looks 55 or TJish (occasionally with a donk-slowplayed KK) but I also expect him to stack off A5, AJ, and chops here as well. He could also be pulling a random ******obluff. Anyway it's barely another PSB left in play, we can't be hero folding two pair here.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:59 AM   #378
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My winrate is nowhere near op's,.
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I've been at the table for maybe 20 minutes or so, I've 3 bet twice already.. Once with AA (vs villain, he called I flopped a set he folded QQ to a cbet.) I showed the aa.. Other hand was qq and original raiser folded pre.

So I get AA utg
I think i found your problem sir.
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Old 03-19-2012, 03:24 PM   #379
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I got it in on both hands.. Hand 1 villain had 78 for a strait draw and bricked out I win. Hand 2 he had ak I lose.
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:11 PM   #380
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Based on what I have read up to this point I call first hand and fold second. I am 100% sure I will be right in this case.
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Old 03-19-2012, 05:13 PM   #381
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Srsly I likely call both too.
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Old 03-19-2012, 06:26 PM   #382
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Just found thread and insta-subscribed. GL and keep it up.
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Old 03-19-2012, 07:10 PM   #383
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Both hands are fairly trivial stackoffs at 1-2 live. Hand 1 the 30 sec pause then shove is almost always a perception of strength but I still expect a random 1-2 donk to be stacking off almost any king here. If he has a set then oh well. Hand 2 his line looks 55 or TJish (occasionally with a donk-slowplayed KK) but I also expect him to stack off A5, AJ, and chops here as well. He could also be pulling a random ******obluff. Anyway it's barely another PSB left in play, we can't be hero folding two pair here.
How do you not realize on 2nd hand the guy COLD CALLS 42 with two to three people still behind to act, with a A-K-5 rainbow board. 10-J is out of the question, and flush draw ovb. Only calls here are monsters.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:20 PM   #384
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How do you not realize on 2nd hand the guy COLD CALLS 42 with two to three people still behind to act, with a A-K-5 rainbow board. 10-J is out of the question, and flush draw ovb. Only calls here are monsters.
I ended up calling on turn but I really hated myself for it
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:28 PM   #385
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How do you not realize on 2nd hand the guy COLD CALLS 42 with two to three people still behind to act, with a A-K-5 rainbow board. 10-J is out of the question, and flush draw ovb. Only calls here are monsters.
Not to get too deep into strat in LVL but did I miss the memo where the average 1-2 player stopped playing as though his mother spent her entire pregnancy on a nonstop meth bender? Just because it's frighteningly stupid doesn't mean they're not doing it.

I agree that TJ is unlikely but it's a draw and this is 1-2 so we can't rule it out entirely. Anyway it's safe to say that the SB thinks he's pretty strong but equally safe to say that we beat enough of that range to stack off 60bb. Against opposition that we have reason to believe may be good, or against a deeper opponent, that equation changes somewhat, but here I think even considering a fold is silly. There are enough combos of A5 alone (which villain will 100% play like it's the nuts) to justify getting it in.

Not sure what you think the significance of there being players yet to act is from villain's POV, again, this is 1-2, players aren't generally taking that into account at this level, and probably shouldn't in this case anyway because everyone's already checked and a CR is unlikely in this multiway spot. If he really does have a draw then the more players that call the better since his 4 outs are all to the nuts anyway.

Also, it's generally only referred to as a "cold call" when the player calls after there's been a bet and a raise; what happened on the flop was just a call.
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Old 03-19-2012, 08:46 PM   #386
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All the chips in the the middle, both hands.
lol this, these are spots where you would be lighting money on fire by folding.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:20 PM   #387
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Maybe I'm a huge fish but I can never see myself folding either hand.

#1: You limp to obviously conceal the strength of your hand. Assuming he can't read through this, you just induced exactly what you wanted to by him donk shoving the flop. Beat his chips in the middle.

#2: I would fold with a naked ace but with this being a random straddled pot, I think villain shows up here with a worse two pair here (or random aces) so you can't fold for his half pot bet. Say villain has $500 in front, you'd still call the same bet from him but you obv wouldn't raise.
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Old 03-19-2012, 09:31 PM   #388
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I ended up calling on turn but I really hated myself for it
May I ask you what your first gut instinct was when this guy led out against you? cause I seem to be getting grilled for my decision to fold.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:23 PM   #389
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Re: I moved to vegas to play poker blah blah blah follow me thread

The problem I have with the 2nd hand also relates to the hours played.

As players, sometimes we want to try to win every hand, the most hands, instead of the most money.

One of the benefits of playing consistent hours and sufficient hours is that it allows for more time for variance to even out. This also takes away the pressure and the urge to try to win every hand.

You need to be able to make that fold on the 2nd, hand. Yeah, there will be situations where you fold and you actually had the guy beat, but over the long run, but really, you only have top pair, not even the top kicker... that's not a hand to go all-in on. Yeah there might be some missed profit opportunities, but you remind yourself that you are in LV for the long haul, and you don't to make all the money in one hand.

This also has two side benefits.
1) By being able to make the big lay down, you can actually make some of the $ back later by being able to use that image to bluff.
2) This allows for a lower volatility in your P&L, which allows you to move up to higher stakes faster, b/c you don't have the big swings.

Going to be town Fri to Sun. Look forward to grabbing a beer and maybe playing a few hands if you are free.

Cheers,

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Old 03-19-2012, 11:24 PM   #390
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Spent a lot of time with imakeposts while I was in Vegas and I'm glad I did. He's a cool guy and a hell of a poker player. He's also got keen insight into sports betting, specifically college baskets and other sports but obviously we were mostly talking march madness the past several days. Also had a great time doing dinners and just shooting the ****, get drunker than I've been in a long time blacking out on Thursday and everything else. Great trip!
I wish I could have hung out with you guys more. Had a great time with you Thursday.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:32 PM   #391
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May I ask you what your first gut instinct was when this guy led out against you? cause I seem to be getting grilled for my decision to fold.
On the flop my spidy senses told me he had ak or a set of 5's. (and I'm not a monsters under the bed syndrome guy) when I hit the turn I just felt I was to strong to fold and I insta got it in. Idk I felt that his flop stall could have just as easily been aj, a10 type hands not wanting to raise with the people behind, but then when they fold flop he is ready to go with it on the turn. Plus a5 and as silly as it sounds even kq are possibilities.
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Old 03-19-2012, 11:41 PM   #392
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Side note pretty bummed I don't know anyone to go with me to see armin van buuren at marquee. Probably spend to much money anyway.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:08 AM   #393
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Side note pretty bummed I don't know anyone to go with me to see armin van buuren at marquee. Probably spend to much money anyway.
You better get your golf game on cause when I finally make it out there, ill be ready to play a round or two.
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Old 03-20-2012, 01:50 AM   #394
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You better get your golf game on cause when I finally make it out there, ill be ready to play a round or two.
Haha that should be interesting
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:14 AM   #395
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Since you have a family its probably a bit easier but since being in Vegas grinding what has your meal situation been like? Have you eaten out more? Spent more per week on food? Just curious about expense most grinders don't think about.
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Old 03-20-2012, 02:57 AM   #396
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Since you have a family its probably a bit easier but since being in Vegas grinding what has your meal situation been like? Have you eaten out more? Spent more per week on food? Just curious about expense most grinders don't think about.
He already said earlier in the thread that he just eats the dollar menu at Mcdonalds three times a day.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:02 AM   #397
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Tournaments are stupid
Not if you bink a couple and get insta-sweet-cash in your bankroll. Plus, the thrill of winning these things is off the charts if you are talking 5 figures and up.

Becoming proficient in as many areas of poker as possible can be very rewarding!!!
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:04 AM   #398
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The problem I have with the 2nd hand also relates to the hours played.

As players, sometimes we want to try to win every hand, the most hands, instead of the most money.

One of the benefits of playing consistent hours and sufficient hours is that it allows for more time for variance to even out. This also takes away the pressure and the urge to try to win every hand.

You need to be able to make that fold on the 2nd, hand. Yeah, there will be situations where you fold and you actually had the guy beat, but over the long run, but really, you only have top pair, not even the top kicker... that's not a hand to go all-in on. Yeah there might be some missed profit opportunities, but you remind yourself that you are in LV for the long haul, and you don't to make all the money in one hand.

This also has two side benefits.
1) By being able to make the big lay down, you can actually make some of the $ back later by being able to use that image to bluff.
2) This allows for a lower volatility in your P&L, which allows you to move up to higher stakes faster, b/c you don't have the big swings.

Going to be town Fri to Sun. Look forward to grabbing a beer and maybe playing a few hands if you are free.

Cheers,

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Jungleman Sighting at venetian bathroom. Lol
Did you give him some small talk at the urinals?
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:30 AM   #400
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Not if you bink a couple and get insta-sweet-cash in your bankroll. Plus, the thrill of winning these things is off the charts if you are talking 5 figures and up.

Becoming proficient in as many areas of poker as possible can be very rewarding!!!
Only stupid because I didn't cash lol.
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