Well, when your participation was 60% higher 2 years ago even after you gave away 100 seats this year with the PCA10 promotion, I'd call that dismal. The rest of the EPT aren't losing numbers at such a high rate, are they?

Edit: The PCA will end up not being the biggest EPT/WPT for the first year ever.

Really enjoyed the shows from PCA, thank you very much!

If you do not mind sharing, how much do you guys budget for a one week Atlantis trip (as your activities sound very close to what I would wanna do), excluding flight and gambling ?

60%? Where'd you pull that number from? It's down ~35% from 2011 which was the peak year.

Which $10k EPT/WPT will be bigger than the PCA???

I'm pretty sure 15xx is about 60% higher than 9xx. I guess I pulled the number from elementary mathematics. Math, what is it?

The second question is silly. You know the answer but ask the question in an attempt to make my argument look bad. Except your question doesn't counter my statement at all.

The PCA is hemorrhaging entrants at an alarming rate while other stops on the tour are growing. Its problem. It is becoming a highroller destination instead of a required Winter poker celebration.

"Dismal" might be an overstatement. That the main event is down from the 1,650 when Galen Hall won it to the 987 this year has as much to do with Black Friday as any other factor -- this tournament series, more than any other, relies on the influx of qualifiers from one specific formerly U.S.-facing site (Stars).

It would be as if Adrian Peterson rushes for 1,500 yards next year and having everyone call it "dismal" because it's such a drop from the near-record 2,097 he racked up this year. Or calling Jose Bautista a "dismal" power hitter because his last two full seasons (43 and 54 homers) pale in comparison to the numbers put up by Bonds in 2001 (73) or McGwire in 1998 and 1999 (70 and 65).

I'd much prefer to compare the 2012 to 2013 events, then see what happens to the numbers in 2014, before I pass judgment too harshly on the direction of the PCA. But sight unseen, I do agree with DoGGz that the event has slipped overall except for being a high-roller series. (Or maybe that's just where the poker media coverage has focused.)

Other than clicking dozens of times over on Hendon Mob, is there a place that has summarized side-by-side and event-by-event the 2012 and 2013 PCAs?

Obviously the USA online market plays a huge factor in this attendance, hard to objectively even try to look at numbers with the crazyness of the past few years. Legalize it, then we can talk.

Doggz there is no reason to be upset.

You must not know, but I'm always upset when posting on 2p2. Getting people to think I'm mad is just my thing.

Your madness worries me DoGGz. PCA is on my bucket list and now I'm fretting the sun 'n sand show will be cancelled before I can get there. Just got my glass to half full and you took a swig of it.

Side event entries were all up(not just the high rollers), the hotel was 100% booked, the cash games were all going full swing when they shut the poker room down at 4am each night, sit n' gos ran non-stop.

The reason the Main Event is down is because US players can't qualify online to win a package. Obviously for geographical reasons, Euros are going to spend more time, rake and effort trying to qualify for EPT events closer to home than PCA. Many of the US players that love PCA still went to PCA, they just chose to play side events, sit n' go's, cash games, and many of the 1K and 2K events with more interesting formats than the main. The PCA success can not be gauged by the main event alone. For people who want to enjoy the resort and make it a holiday, playing 1 day/2 day events rather than committing the entire week to the main event makes sense. Lots of players bring their wives/gf's and even kids to Atlantis.

You can't simply think like that.

If you have 1600 in year 1 and 2000 in year 2, you have an increase of (2000-1600)/1600 = 25%.

If you reverse those numbers, however, you'll have a decrease of (2000-1600)/2000 = 20%.

Based on the numbers given by Wilbury Twist, the decrease from 2011 is therefore (1650-987)/1650 = 40.2%.

Is there no pokercast this week?

lol. What uberkuber said. So how is elementary mathematics working out for you?

EDIT: 2011 PCA had 1560 (not 1650), so the drop is 36% as I mentioned earlier in the thread.

What's silly about the question? I genuinely don't know which $10k EPT or WPT you think will be bigger than the PCA. The WPT Championship is a $25k so you can't compare it. The EPT Grand Final may just inch ahead in terms of prize pool because of how piss weak the USD currently is, but it'll never pull a higher number of runners.

Which tournament were you talking about?

Have a look at all the side event results, all up on 2012. Using your justification, we now call $1k and $2k events high rollers. Well done.

Btw, chill the **** out.

I'm one week behind on my Pokerkasts and just finished listening to Adam say that Mike Matusow shouldn't have got an invite to the NBC Heads Up Challenge.

Is that some sort reverse Pokerkast karma